The one thing I've always found amazing was that the sonic games don't really sound like Genesis games.
Wait, what?
Go listen to the music from any other genesis game. Hear the "twang" soundchip?
Even the streets of rage series (with their amazing soundtracks) falls victim to it, but none of the Sonic games really have that distinct genesis sound.
For years, I had always thought there was some sort of special filter or soundfont reserved exclusively for the sonic games, but after a close listen, the "twang" and other genesis sounds are still there; it's just that sonic team did a really fucking good job of using them in the correct places to make them sound good.
i've seen more people actually refering to this "genesis vibe".
(12-15-2009, 01:38 AM)Vipershark Wrote: [ -> ]Sonic CD is the black sheep of the series imo.
It just doesn't seem as good as the others to me.
Oh my God I hate you so bad >: (
Sonic CD's soundtrack is just exceptional. First of all, Sonic CD was the first game that had the great work of Takenobu Mitsuyoshi (the same that did that catchy as fuck song 'Let's Go Away' from Daytona USA and several other theme songs for games, including Burning Rangers, and even a sung version of Ryu's theme for a tribute album of Street Fighter), having great sang tracks like Cosmic Eternity, and Sonic Boom. I think that Sonic CD might have been the first game to ever feature sang tracks ever on consoles. Plus, the tracks, even though they were not chiptune tracks, still had that feel of Sonic games, but even deeper because of its surrealness from lots of light instruments together, giving a calm and cosmic sensation, but still mixed with energeticness because of its melodies and funky and mechanic samples.
Oh, and if you're talking about the game itself, don't even get me started.
(12-15-2009, 01:38 AM)Vipershark Wrote: [ -> ]Sonic CD is the black sheep of the series imo.
It just doesn't seem as good as the others to me.
Sonic CD has been called the best Sonic game of all time.
(12-15-2009, 10:52 AM)Rökkan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2009, 01:38 AM)Vipershark Wrote: [ -> ]Sonic CD is the black sheep of the series imo.
It just doesn't seem as good as the others to me.
Oh, and if you're talking about the game itself, don't even get me started.
Actually, yeah. That's what I was talking about.
Soundtrack aside, the gameplay just feels like a step backwards for me.
Especially the spindash. Instead of holding down and repeatedly pressing the jump button, you have to hold down, hold the button, and wait for the spindash to charge. You can't actually launch during charging like in other games. You actually have to sit and wait.
Yes, it isn't that long of a wait, but still.
Also, the time travelling aspect was a cool idea, but I don't like how it was implemented. Having to travel around in time and having to find and destroy those generator things felt like a waste of time, and not very sonic-like.
edit- also don't take this as me calling the game bad
It's not a bad game. It's just not as good.
(12-15-2009, 01:55 PM)Vipershark Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2009, 10:52 AM)Rökkan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2009, 01:38 AM)Vipershark Wrote: [ -> ]Sonic CD is the black sheep of the series imo.
It just doesn't seem as good as the others to me.
Oh, and if you're talking about the game itself, don't even get me started.
Actually, yeah. That's what I was talking about.
Soundtrack aside, the gameplay just feels like a step backwards for me.
Especially the spindash. Instead of holding down and repeatedly pressing the jump button, you have to hold down, hold the button, and wait for the spindash to charge. You can't actually launch during charging like in other games. You actually have to sit and wait.
Yes, it isn't that long of a wait, but still.
Also, the time travelling aspect was a cool idea, but I don't like how it was implemented. Having to travel around in time and having to find and destroy those generator things felt like a waste of time, and not very sonic-like.
edit- also don't take this as me calling the game bad
It's not a bad game. It's just not as good.
A game isn't only made of gameplay you know. Sonic CD's mechanics/engine felt different because it wasn't programmed by Yuji Naka (feels wonky to people that are accostumed playing the other Sonics, but at least there aren't any bugs at all, unlike the other Sonics). Having to wait the Spin-Dash to charge for me feels better than just charging it a bit and releasing. Because it obligates the player not to spam the fuck out of the Spin-Dash, because, it is kind of a cheap move. Sonic's original design was about getting speed and avoiding all sorts of obstacles to maintain this speed. The Spin-Dash breaks this concept a bit, because you can get speed almost instantaneously, without having to work to get it, and you can destroy certain obstacles. The longer wait "nerfs" the Spin-Dash a bit, making sometimes, running at your own, much faster than Spin-Dashing - which would make going through the level easier. But I agree that Sonic CD's Spin-Dash isn't all that good, and the wait was a bit of a downer. A midterm between that and Sonic 2/3's Spin-Dash would be perfect.
And having to travel back in time isn't obligatory at all, not even to get the Good Ending. To get the Good Ending, you need to grab all Time Stones OR do that. Plus, Sonic was all about exploration as well, it isn't just about clearing the stage in the least time, look at Sonic 3/Sonic & Knuckles' level design, it's so full of alternative paths and secret rooms, there are people finding new paths even nowadays. The original game design though, used Time Travelling in a much better way. Sonic would time travel in an instant, the level would just flash and change in an instant the time you are in, instead of having to wait that sequence of Sonic warping through. But the programmers said it wasn't possible, no matter how bad Naoto Oshima (Sonic CD game designer, the creator of Sonic the Hedgehog) wanted that idea.
In counterpart, Sonic CD has beautiful and surreal settings which SHOULD be used as inspiration (alongside Knuckles' Chaotix's landscapes which are even more beautiful and surreal sometimes) for the next Sonic games instead of just using realistic settings, Sonic CD has one of the best soundtracks ever conceived to the Sonic games (and that's a lot, considering that Sonic the Hedgehog has incredible soundtracks, heck, even the piece of shit that was Sonic the Hedgehog for the 360/PS3 had an amazing soundtrack), great level design and bosses design (except one or two acts/bosses that are a letdown, like the final boss itself), simple but different and great story with animated cutscenes by Toei Animation, and I really can't believe you don't consider Sonic CD
at least better than the first Sonic the Hedgehog.
I suppose when compared to the original sonic 1, it is better.
And who doesn't love the animated parts?
But yeah, the soundtrack is pretty good. as you said, I don't think I've heard a Sonic game with a bad soundtrack yet.
As I said before though, my main problem is with the gameplay tweaks. It just feels like a sort of oddball game to me.
Well, if I remember correctly, Sonic CD wasn't made by the same team that made Sonic 2.
Sonic CD actually had 2 soundtracks, so Vipershark if you haven't, listen to the Jap soundtrack too
Also Rokkan is the greatest
great. i always liked sonic music, though i hate the games.
i didn't even wanted to mention Sonic CD because its almost mandatory to top it over any other sonic game.
Isn't the Jap soundtrack fully voiced or something?
Maybe I'll give it a listen.
The only song I've heard off of it is "Toot Toot Sonic Warrior" and I didn't like that.
(12-15-2009, 06:50 PM)Vipershark Wrote: [ -> ]Isn't the Jap soundtrack fully voiced or something?
Maybe I'll give it a listen.
The only song I've heard off of it is "Toot Toot Sonic Warrior" and I didn't like that.
That's probably why you didn't like Sonic CD much.
I'll be honest, I didn't really pay much attention to Sonic CD when I played the american version, I just thought that Sonic CD was a little bit overrated and was more like a pimped-up Sonic 1, but a couple of years later, when I got my hands on the european version (which has the japanese soundtrack)
I was like WOAH
The japanese soundtrack is a vital part of the feel and immersion of the game, IMO. Definately try it out.
Also, I prefer Sonic Boom a bit over Toot Toot Sonic Warrior, but I just love Cosmic Eternity
Sonic Boom is definitely the best song off the soundtrack.