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No, but I don't see how it's relevant. Okay, it may do a similar thing, but on the whole I think it's simpler to select 4 images and position them how you want than to type:

Quote:montage balloon.gif medical.gif present.gif shading.gif montage.jpg

Or more if you want to specify options. My program allows people to create images such as this without learning commands to do so.

Ease of use is the key, here.

(08-27-2012, 04:07 PM)Hoeloe Wrote: [ -> ]No, but I don't see how it's relevant.

It creates sprite sheets.

(08-27-2012, 04:07 PM)Hoeloe Wrote: [ -> ]Okay, it may do a similar thing, but on the whole I think it's simpler to select 4 images and position them how you want than to type:

Simpler = dumbed down? Why did you parents sent you to school? After all, ignorance is simple!

(08-27-2012, 04:07 PM)Hoeloe Wrote: [ -> ]Or more if you want to specify options. My program allows people to create images such as this without learning commands to do so.

I.e. your program is limited to a few basic GUI options and requires a lot of repetitive mouse clicking. Reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU

Gensym, I don't know if you've noticed already, but your super computer nerd elitism is getting a tad annoying. Not everyone is planning to, or even wanting to, get their head into complicated command chaos. Welcome in the year 2012 where the world of computers is open to everyone.
Basically, implying someone should stop making their program just because there is something somewhere out there that does something similar in a way you feel more comfortable with is not a nice move.

(08-27-2012, 06:28 PM)gensym Wrote: [ -> ]Simpler = dumbed down? Why did you parents sent you to school? After all, ignorance is simple!

No. Using a gui does not equate to being dumbed down. I'm surprised, after that comment, you're even using an operating system. Why aren't you just manipulating your computer directly through binary?

Oh, right. BECAUSE IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

The same applies here. It's to do with levels of computer usage. You seem to imply that the lower you go, the better it is. This is not the case. Lower level may give you greater control, but it comes at a cost that you need to manage more things manually that a higher level program can deal with automatically, and lower level programs also tend to be more complex to understand and control. Take this for example:

Quote:#!/bin/bash
COUNTER=0
while [ $COUNTER -lt 10 ]; do
echo The counter is $COUNTER
let COUNTER=COUNTER+1
done

Quote:int x = 0;
while ( x < 10 ) {
printf(x);
x++;
}

One of those is coded in Bash, and one in C. Both are very similar programs, but the C code is more readable, because Bash has a lot of symbols that don't mean anything to the average human reader. None of those is particularly better than the other because the languages are for different uses, but by your logic, Bash is better than C. Nonsense.

(08-27-2012, 06:28 PM)gensym Wrote: [ -> ]I.e. your program is limited to a few basic GUI options and requires a lot of repetitive mouse clicking. Reminds me of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk2sPl_Z7ZU

And the other program is totally unlimited in how it can work. Yep. It's not like the creators had to program all the features or anything. You know, because everyone knows that the instant you remove a GUI everything becomes possible. Yup. If I got rid of this GUI, I'd instantly have a million more features! And of course adding a GUI to that other program would remove all of the features in it. Yup.

As Previous said, your elitism is annoying, stupid, and ignorant. Get your head out of the sky and do something useful. Don't think you can put me down because you know a bit of programming. I study computers as a career. Go figure.

I'll also ask you to kindly not clutter up my thread any more than you have already done.

New update!

Download link up shortly.

EDIT: Fixed a bug that made the program crash if you loaded a file directly.

(08-28-2012, 01:36 AM)Previous Wrote: [ -> ]Gensym, I don't know if you've noticed already, but your super computer nerd elitism is getting a tad annoying.

What is my "super computer nerd elitism"? I'm just a typical newbie, who wonders why people do thing the hard way and reinvent the wheel.

(08-28-2012, 01:36 AM)Previous Wrote: [ -> ]Not everyone is planning to, or even wanting to, get their head into complicated command chaos. Welcome in the year 2012 where the world of computers is open to everyone.

Why do you support dumbing the society down? Why do you treat people like mentally disabled, who cant eval a simple command?

(08-28-2012, 01:36 AM)Previous Wrote: [ -> ]Basically, implying someone should stop making their program just because there is something somewhere out there that does something similar in a way you feel more comfortable with is not a nice move.

Why reinventing the wheel? Do you know that even Photoshop can do the same out of the box?

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(08-28-2012, 05:24 AM)Hoeloe Wrote: [ -> ]Take this for example:

Quote:#!/bin/bash
COUNTER=0
while [ $COUNTER -lt 10 ]; do
echo The counter is $COUNTER
let COUNTER=COUNTER+1
done

Example show that you dont know BASH. And no, C/C++/C#/Java[Script] isnt a good language either...

Quote:$ for I in $(seq 0 9); do echo The counter is $I; done
The counter is 0
The counter is 1
The counter is 2
The counter is 3
The counter is 4
The counter is 5
The counter is 6
The counter is 7
The counter is 8
The counter is 9

Quote:What is my "super computer nerd elitism"? I'm just a typical newbie

Quote:Example show that you dont know BASH. And no, C/C++/C#/Java[Script] isnt a good language either...

cool story bro

gensym, I think you're being unecessarily aggressive in your posting. Please refrain from it.

I like how you're using the 'wheel' analogy but you're acting the opposite of it. Hoeloe's app is made to make the things easier and more convenient while your suggestion clearly isn't convenient. They do the same job, I agree, but the wheel's purpose is to make things easier, isn't it?

Making conveninent and easy-to-use things isn't dumbing down the society. The entire human race has been working hard for all this time to come up with easy and productive ways to do things. Without this thinking, we wouldn't have computers, cars, electricity or even the wooden matches. Did they make the society dumber? I don't think so. If you think otherwise then you should blame the humans themselves, not the helpful objects.

I just can't see why would you work your butt off to do something that could be done with fewer inputs. Why having to cross a river to grab apples on the other side if you have apples right next to you?

Quote:Why reinventing the wheel? Do you know that even Photoshop can do the same out of the box?

Photoshop costs over $600. Wowee! How cheap! What fools we are for not buying a sophisticated image editor to make sprite sheets!
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Hoeloe, do you ever plan on putting an option that lets us choose how much space would go in between two frames? The frames seem to stick together.

(08-28-2012, 09:29 PM)canasniimehugh Wrote: [ -> ]Photoshop costs over $600. Wowee! How cheap! What fools we are for not buying a sophisticated image editor to make sprite sheets!

Have you paid for the ROMs you rip from or play in? No? Then what urges you to pay for Photoshop? And I'm sure, when Hoeloe develops his code into something remotely useful, he will charge you $99. That is why I advice people to learn some basic cracking, so they will be able to crack Hoeloe's utility and use it without paying him any money.

I wonder why tSR owners still havent transited this site to pay-per-download scheme.

I seriously can't tell if you're joking.

If you are, stop.
If you're not, stop posting.

(08-28-2012, 09:44 PM)Vipershark Wrote: [ -> ]I seriously can't tell if you're joking.

If you are, stop.
If you're not, stop posting.

Please, avoid ad hominem.

Right, you're the one making strawmen and claiming people are dumb for wanting an easy to use program and I'm the one on the attack.

This discussion is completely pointless and unnecessary in every way. If you don't want to use the program, don't. There is no reason whatsoever for you to continue this.

(08-28-2012, 11:06 PM)Vipershark Wrote: [ -> ]Right, you're the one making strawmen and claiming people are dumb for wanting an easy to use program and I'm the one on the attack.

This discussion is completely pointless and unnecessary in every way. If you don't want to use the program, don't. There is no reason whatsoever for you to continue this.

You're imagining something. Cant help you.

(08-28-2012, 09:41 PM)gensym Wrote: [ -> ]And I'm sure, when Hoeloe develops his code into something remotely useful, he will charge you $99. That is why I advice people to learn some basic cracking, so they will be able to crack Hoeloe's utility and use it without paying him any money.

hey

i just want to say this is a really nice thing to say to someone up front in their topic

"hey man just so you know if you decide to charge people for your app i encourage people to crack it and gyp you of any profit"

sarcasm aside, i want to make a point.

(08-28-2012, 08:39 PM)gensym Wrote: [ -> ]Why reinventing the wheel? Do you know that even Photoshop can do the same out of the box?

i actively dislike the way photoshop is set up. i could keygen it, sure, but why should i if i don't want to use it? it's nice to have options when it comes to programs. you might find issue with certain programs that you don't find with others! i stopped using winamp for game music long ago because of some weird compatibility issues and switched to foobar2000. they have about the same capabilities, but they both exist. weird how that works.

if someone wants to just make sprite sheets, then why can't they have one program dedicated to that? doesn't that make it... simpler? easier to do? less time consuming?

actually the more i read into what you're saying the less your logic makes any real sense so i give up

(08-28-2012, 11:27 PM)Crappy Blue Luigi Wrote: [ -> ]hey

i just want to say this is a really nice thing to say to someone up front in their topic

"hey man just so you know if you decide to charge people for your app i encourage people to crack it and gyp you of any profit"

What is wrong with that? I'm explaining that many programs/sites go behind paywall after some time of free use. Will you deny that cracking is a viable skill, which saves money and helps with the same sprite ripping we do here?

(08-28-2012, 11:27 PM)Crappy Blue Luigi Wrote: [ -> ]i actively dislike the way photoshop is set up.

Well, that is subjective. But while there are alternatives, like Pixel Studio Pro, GIMP or Pixen, they are unstable and far behind Photoshop in functionality.

(08-28-2012, 11:27 PM)Crappy Blue Luigi Wrote: [ -> ]if someone wants to just make sprite sheets, then why can't they have one program dedicated to that? doesn't that make it... simpler? easier to do? less time consuming?

Most graphics people use Photoshop+plugins+scripting for everything. "One program" works well in Unix world, when you can easily mix several programs into a pipeline, but fails in the GUI world.