I don't want this particular issue to be forgotten just because of the wipe so I'm reposting it here. The original master post is
here and there's a lot more on the rest of that account. Also, apparently his mom has also inadvertently involved herself so this should be interesting.
So, just out of curiosity, what was this guy like before all this business cropped up anyhow. I really hadn't heard of him until then.
Mirroring perhaps how some others feel, it's sickening that a genre such as sprite comics and TSR/VGR itself had somehow spawned from the influence of such a person. But I guess that's probably the least terrible thing that could happen, even if it does make me look back and retroactively think somewhat badly of past places and events that just happen to be somehow related to him. Fireball20xl always was an affiliate of MFZ... it still is a link there, I believe (not that it would still be if there were any administrators updating the site, I'm sure.)
Kindof had an inkling psyguy and his site might've been a bit iffy. A few sprite resources specifically tagged to disallow their hosting at his site gave me that impression, but I never really went there myself. This sudden revelation that he is an unsavoury individual did come out of nowhere, but looking back at some of the information from back when, the data was there. But nobody played the necessary game of "connect the dots" until just recently. And what a map it's creating, huh?
Regardless, as some have said, the best way to ensure Psyguy doesn't just 'disappear' until this blows over is definitely to keep it as a current discussion subject to keep the pressure up. It does feel odd to encourage such a behavior though (especially as former moderation staff), since it still amounts to what is basically an internet lynch-mob at the moment.
It is something of a morbid curiousity that I hope this does eventually go to court and see justice, aswell as the word of the law pass unavoidable judgement on his actions.
(07-06-2014, 04:24 AM)psychospacecow Wrote: [ -> ]So, just out of curiosity, what was this guy like before all this business cropped up anyhow. I really hadn't heard of him until then.
He came off as an egotistical jerk even back then. His sprite comics had pretty lame humour and then he tried to get all serious with some of his later works (still involving Sonic characters and fancharacters) which showed how much of a pretentious streak he had.
He didn't seem to care much about other people either. I remember he made a big deal about FB20XL "hiring" new sprite comic people and artists. Then like a month (maybe less) after he brought all the people on board and they were clearly excited to take part, he kicked everyone off except himself and a few select people. It seemed like a dick move to get peoples' hopes up and then say "actually nah this isn't working".
Then, I think after claiming he wanted to keep FB20XL smaller and more insular, he started hiring more people again anyway which must have rubbed salt in the wound of the people who got thrown out.
at least its not sprites.fireball20xl.com
that place was the worst
Since this thread was made again (which I'm against it, mind you), I shall give my two cents.
The dude is a criminal, and like everyone here, I think he should be punished. What Im not okay with, though, is to create a thread in a forum he doesnt even visit anymore with the sole intent of attacking him. He did sick things, right, but this doesnt make him less of a person and thus if you think that lynching him for fucking up is right, then you give freedom for others to lynch you, in case you fuck things up.
I am not siding with him and pedophilia is horrible. But dehumanizing someone and insulting him does not make things any better and will only increase the snowball's size. The correct thing would be to call the police, like everyone does, and have justice done properly instead of calling him a douchebag and making a soap opera out of this.
(07-06-2014, 11:27 AM)Gors Wrote: [ -> ]What Im not okay with, though, is to create a thread in a forum he doewnt even visit anymore with the sole intent of attacking him.
I think you're missing the point. The purpose of this thread isn't to attack him. It's to keep this story active and make sure it doesn't fade into obscurity. Yes, attacking someone who can't defend themselves isn't the best practice but if we just let it go, nothing will come of it. In reality, is this thread likely to make a real difference in the outcome of this case? No. But doing nothing is just as bad as forgetting about it entirely.
That's why i said, call the police. That way, it will not 'fade into obscurity'. Keeping a log of insulting posts and a fucking tumblr account wont solve anything justice-wise.
Unless you just want this atrocity to be remembered only in the internet, I dont see why people dont do proper justice instead of simply talking shit about him.
Because the police won't get involved if there's no media outcry. It's sad but it's the truth. And the way to get that media outcry is to keep the story alive online. Without people caring, this will get brushed off by the authorities and he will never see a courtroom. The only way to force this up the chain is to keep the story alive at its roots.
Proper justice is being approached and police have been contacted. Making people aware of his actions is important, considering he makes public appearances at conventions which our members attend, on top of our past with him.
I'm impressed neither by Psyguy, nor by this public humiliation in the guise of justice/revenge.
I can understand the concern to protect others from grooming and other condemnable acts or behaviour, but I think this another case of Internet hysteria which has gone too far. I don't think many of you actually care all that much about this guy. Let's move on from this gossip and leave justice do its job.
If this was just about him being a jerk to people online, I don't think anyone would care this much. I certainly wouldn't - I just wouldn't associate with him. But, if the posted stories can be believed, some of his actions go well beyond being a jerk and into illegal realms and that's where, as you said, justice needs to do its job. The problem is that it can't if it never makes it that far and unfortunately, this is one of the ways to help it in that direction. Like it or not, there aren't many other options.
Yeah, as fun as it was talking smack about the guy in the previous topic it gets to a point where we're beating a dead horse. I mean, I absolutely hate the guy too but come on.
There's not much else to do at this point because pretty much talk about how scoundrel-y he is and how much we despise sexual groomers, pedophiles and manipulative folk. Can't we like, lock the topic and let the admins.mods who care just update us on the ongoing situation, instead of leaving this open as a heckling pit of a single person on the Internet - probably one of many who have similar topics like this on other forums?
I, for one, would
love to hear how Psy's mom is getting involved (sounds like it could be hilarious, frankly), but I'd rather not have the rest of the forum (including myself
) go on about how Utterly Horrid it is to have such Big Bad Manipulative People on the internet.
okay, so
i get that a psyguy thread is important, but i feel like you're making it a
personal thing on tsr (by allowing an endless hate train of people in the old topic - which is fine in itself i guess?) and reopening it
after a wipe (which is basically like 'HEY GUYS WE AREN'T DONE YET COME POOP ON THE GUY SOME MORE' basically) is so... silly... a court case is being made (from my understanding it already has been?) and he's closing all of his accounts, i'd honestly just move on
especially with how small the forum user count is, i feel like anyone who was going to read it through tsr having a thread on it would have the first time around
(07-06-2014, 11:45 AM)Dazz Wrote: [ -> ]on top of our past with him.
this part in particular screams 'personal vendetta' to me, to be honest. it would be different if he was still an active user or played a part in tSR as it is now but he doesn't and hasn't in
years
If some soft of criminal activity were happening in the news that someone wanted to talk about, it would be acceptable to create a thread about it.
If the criminal activity had a connection to someone or multiple someones on the forum, it would increase the likeliness of the thread being created.
I'm not going to get into an argument about whether or not creating this thread is "moral", but from an objective and technical point of view, this thread is completely acceptable.