(12-01-2009, 10:52 AM)GaryCXJk Wrote: [ -> ]koopaul, it's what we "gamers" call double standard. By our double standard, Geno is first-party, even though most gaming fans, including at least half of all of the SmashBoards community, is aware of Geno's legal status. But fuck legal status, who needs it when it's not convenient for us!
Look we didn't say "fuck it" when it came to Banjo, we didn't say "fuck it" when it came to movesets, and we shouldn't say "fuck it" for Geno.
And Ton, I agree Geno would not be able to be used by Square without Nintendo, but I don't think Nintendo could use him without Square.
However, there's a similar case with Diddy Kong Racing DS where all the characters except Diddy, Dixie and Tiny are own by Rare. Rare said answering a letter said "we can still make a Bumper's Bad Fur Day" implying that they still could do what they wanted with that character.
We're trying to be professional about this right? Understand our limitations, and realize where characters fall into place?
Perhaps if Geno has too many legality issues it would be better to avoid him all together. It would also mean we wouldn't need Deoxys.
Wait
Where does Deoxys come into play for Geno?
Deoxys was chosen to ballance the number of characters equal to Mario. That was the only reason.
And most importantly, Geno is a Mario character. If it wasn't for that Superstar Saga end credits we wouldn't be having this discussion, we're making a fangame for crying out loud, why would we discuss legal rights when Nintendo can just come here and shut the fucking project down? Christ.
Also, totally agreeing with the argument about Mother having too much reps. Ness, Lucas and Porky are enough. Plus, Masked Man is another sword user JESUS CHRIST SWORD USERS EVERYWHERE.
edit: koopaul, Deoxys was chosen because he's fucking awesome, don't you dare fuck up this even more and argue about it being in.
"All Rights, including the copyrights of Game, Scenario, Music, and Program, reserved by NINTENDO. Regardless of the above-mentioned, the copyright of Character "Geno", reserved by SQUARE ENIX CO., LTD."
-Verbatim from Superstar Saga, seven years after SMRPG's release.
@Rökkan: "we're making a fangame for crying out loud"
Well then let's put Banjo in! Since it doesn't matter, we're making a fan game! He's first party to us!
Banjo is not from a first-party series, Geno is. They are very different cases.
I'm obviously being sarcastic. You're argument is "who cares its a fangame" so I'm saying "who cares its a fangame"
I said 'who cares about minor legal rights in a footstep of an end credits of one single game.'
about to have an aneurysm itt
To make this simpler, why not just ask ourselves if we really want that 'second' Square character? If not, count Geno as Mario AND Square. Bam, done.
(12-01-2009, 02:43 PM)Angelglory Wrote: [ -> ]To make this simpler, why not just ask ourselves if we really want that 'second' Square character? If not, count Geno as Mario AND Square. Bam, done.
Ah well I was never against Geno being in the game I was just against ignoring his Square status and having another Square character because of it.
This I would not mind.
Thing is, you people think others won't care. I've been seeing this very same discussion back when Super Smash Bros. Brawl was yet to be released on the Smashboards. And yes, they do care. They do care that Geno is a third party character. They're not just aware of that, they also do count him as property of Square-Enix, therefore they do count him as a Square-Enix representative, and therefore they already counted in that if Geno would ever be in Super Smash Bros. the spot for any Square-Enix character would already have been filled.
So yes, they do care, even if it's "just a fan game".
Also, I was being sarcastic, koopaul. The sarcasm was dead obvious.
(12-01-2009, 03:13 PM)GaryCXJk Wrote: [ -> ]Thing is, you people think others won't care. I've been seeing this very same discussion back when Super Smash Bros. Brawl was yet to be released on the Smashboards. And yes, they do care. They do care that Geno is a third party character. They're not just aware of that, they also do count him as property of Square-Enix, therefore they do count him as a Square-Enix representative, and therefore they already counted in that if Geno would ever be in Super Smash Bros. the spot for any Square-Enix character would already have been filled.
So yes, they do care, even if it's "just a fan game".
Also, I was being sarcastic, koopaul. The sarcasm was dead obvious.
Thing is, Geno is a
Mario character. How stupid would it be to put it in a different series and consider him a third-party character just because of a note in a staff roll? And why would they care about this if they can play both
as a Black Mage and as Geno. If we take Geno out, people will bitch because he was one of the most requested characters for Brawl, and if we take the FF rep out, people will bitch because they'd want to play as a FF character, and they wouldn't feel that is fair to have Namco, Capcom and other companies' reps there, and have a Mario character as Square's rep, and if we put both of them in, people will bitch because of... A note in an end credits about
legal rights? Seriously? No one that will play this game (if it actually releases) will make a big deal out of having both of them in, and half of the people who plays it probably won't even know about this.
Rokkan is completely 100% right and nobody bother arguing against it.
Seriously about to pop a gasket here.