(07-08-2009, 09:33 PM)MaverickETC Wrote:

(07-08-2009, 08:11 PM)clap12 Wrote:

(07-08-2009, 06:40 PM)sky_blue_wiggler Wrote:

(07-08-2009, 05:34 PM)clap12 Wrote: Come on people. Why build a clone machine, and then clone brawl? We would get made fun of.

Those cuts are all necessary. Toon link and young link are just versions of the original link. The rest are either clones or aren't of any favor to anyone. The limit for original characters should be 25. The rest should be additional and third party. If you go with the selection we have now, people are going to overlook this game.

Not something we would want. Don't cut most of the characters i listed, and you will have a clone on your hands

Shouldn't Gooey be a definte character.

Just dump the entire vote on list and just add PT and mew2(king).

Because if we want to make a Brawl game, we gotta take out all the characters that made Brawl great.
I think we should also take out all the great stages, too.
Infact, I've made a line up that will be so good, nobody can overlook it.

Characters:
Mario
Link

Stage:
Pokemon Stadium

Mode:
1player

That'll be the best game on the web!*


*sarcasm

Your attempt to make me look like a fool has no affect whats so ever.

The characters that made brawl great were the ones i told not to take out.
The rest were just clones/lost causes. I know that was just my opinion. But still, Including all brawl-ers will deny a more deserving character. AKA Lolo

It would be cool just to add all of the existing characters, plus more, like I thought Brawl was gonna do. Just think of it as a "Brawl+" without hacks and actual content addition to the game . In addition, I think "clone characters" wouldn't be a bad idea so long as we differ them from there "Alpha Copies". Instead of people maining characters simply because of preference, we'd actually be making the clones into unique characters and people would have a better foundation on maining them, although they are or may be the same character physically or in a cosmic sorta way, which shouldn't entirely matter IMO.

However, if something like memory ever does happen to be an issue, then I'd think some cuts would be in order...

No

Just

No

Your mind is being clouded by your stubbornness. You being to stupid about keeping characters in. If people wanted a brawl game, they would've picked up the real brawl. I don't want this game to be brawl with a couple of extra characters. But apperantly, that is what your limited imagination is capable of thinking of. At this point, talking is pointless. Make the brawl clone that all of you are so hungry for.

(07-08-2009, 10:12 PM)clap12 Wrote:

(07-08-2009, 09:33 PM)MaverickETC Wrote:

(07-08-2009, 08:11 PM)clap12 Wrote:

(07-08-2009, 06:40 PM)sky_blue_wiggler Wrote:

(07-08-2009, 05:34 PM)clap12 Wrote: Come on people. Why build a clone machine, and then clone brawl? We would get made fun of.

Those cuts are all necessary. Toon link and young link are just versions of the original link. The rest are either clones or aren't of any favor to anyone. The limit for original characters should be 25. The rest should be additional and third party. If you go with the selection we have now, people are going to overlook this game.

Not something we would want. Don't cut most of the characters i listed, and you will have a clone on your hands

Shouldn't Gooey be a definte character.

Just dump the entire vote on list and just add PT and mew2(king).

Because if we want to make a Brawl game, we gotta take out all the characters that made Brawl great.
I think we should also take out all the great stages, too.
Infact, I've made a line up that will be so good, nobody can overlook it.

Characters:
Mario
Link

Stage:
Pokemon Stadium

Mode:
1player

That'll be the best game on the web!*


*sarcasm

Your attempt to make me look like a fool has no affect whats so ever.

The characters that made brawl great were the ones i told not to take out.
The rest were just clones/lost causes. I know that was just my opinion. But still, Including all brawl-ers will deny a more deserving character. AKA Lolo

It would be cool just to add all of the existing characters, plus more, like I thought Brawl was gonna do. Just think of it as a "Brawl+" without hacks and actual content addition to the game . In addition, I think "clone characters" wouldn't be a bad idea so long as we differ them from there "Alpha Copies". Instead of people maining characters simply because of preference, we'd actually be making the clones into unique characters and people would have a better foundation on maining them, although they are or may be the same character physically or in a cosmic sorta way, which shouldn't entirely matter IMO.

However, if something like memory ever does happen to be an issue, then I'd think some cuts would be in order...

No

Just

No

Your mind is being clouded by your stubbornness. You being to stupid about keeping characters in. If people wanted a brawl game, they would've picked up the real brawl. I don't want this game to be brawl with a couple of extra characters. But apperantly, that is what your limited imagination is capable of thinking of. At this point, talking is pointless. Make the brawl clone that all of you are so hungry for.

So let me get this straight. You want Melee +? I thought that's what this was supposed to be in the first place.

Its really not going to kill anyone to have extra characters, but I think we should have a solid engine before adding a bunch. Once we have a good engine I don't really care what characters go in. I think we should also try to get in some online modes and maybe some voicechat in once the basic engine is done. If a friend system is done it should be simple and not overly complicated like Wii online.

It wasn't the characters that made Super Smash Flash suck. It was the lack of attention to everything else.

So to attract audiences, we need to have a limited amount of characters? If they don't wanna play as a certain character, they won't pick him! You're argument makes no sense! Sure, we don't need both Young Link and Toon Link, but Olimar and Rob? Those characters have completely unique movesets! If anyone else wants to do your idea, then fine. Good Luck convincing them to make the game less fun.



Now, I think we should have an adventure mode, kinda like a mix of Melee and Brawl, and maybe it could be multiplayer? Just an idea

I'd like to see what we're able to program before listing modes we want to have.

I vote one Little Mac,Paper Mario and Roy

(07-08-2009, 11:05 PM)sky_blue_wiggler Wrote: So to attract audiences, we need to have a limited amount of characters? If they don't wanna play as a certain character, they won't pick him! You're argument makes no sense! Sure, we don't need both Young Link and Toon Link, but Olimar and Rob? Those characters have completely unique movesets! If anyone else wants to do your idea, then fine. Good Luck convincing them to make the game less fun.



Now, I think we should have an adventure mode, kinda like a mix of Melee and Brawl, and maybe it could be multiplayer? Just an idea

I dont know where in ANY of my posts in which I said less characters. Anyone with half a brain would know that i would want more variety of characters not the exact same roster on the console version.

All you are trying to do is make sense out of nothing.

What you are describing is a complete clone of brawl complete with Lolo, now that would attract an audience

*sarcasm

(07-08-2009, 03:44 PM)Tonberry2k Wrote:

(07-08-2009, 02:48 PM)Teeks Wrote: I don't think the Pokemon Trainer should be cut because IMO, Pokemon Trainer represents the Pokemon Series as a whole better than any single Pokemon ever could. I also think Toon Link and Wolf are worthy of being in but with movesets to capitalize on their differences from the characters they're clones of. Toon Link has been in multiple Zelda games in that form, he has plenty of items and weapons he can use to have different moves from Link.

Lucario and Mewtwo, I'm on the fence. On one hand, I believe Mewtwo should not have been cut in the first place. On the other hand, I think Lucario should stay to have a Pokemon from a Gen that isn't First. You guys will have to decide on this one cause I'm torn.

And I fully support the inclusions of Krystal, Claus, Little Mac and Megaman. I also wouldn't mind seeing Starfy.

I agree with the Pokemon Trainer idea. I was just worried about coding on his part. As for Lucario and Mewtwo, I'm with you 100%. I like Mewtwo much more, but I see that Lucario was added because of the new generations. I'm likewise torn. We can have both, but then we'd have to add more characters to other franchises. Namely Mario. Because having more Pokemon characters than Mario characters seems like a cardinal sin to me.

I agree completely. As other people said, we don't have to follow what Nintendo would do, as we're not Nintendo but it still makes sense to keep bigger franchises balanced. Mario is Nintendo's big mascot franchise whereas Pokemon is their big Handheld franchise, it makes sense for those two to have the most.

For Mario, I see four possible candidates that make sense.

Bowser Jr.: Bowser Jr. has appeared in every major Mario platforming title as a primary villian since his appearance in Super Mario Sunshine and even was basically the main villain in NEW Super Mario Bros. He's been in pretty much every spin-off title since his inclusion and is probably the only major Mario character in this day and age to not be playable. Give him his paint brush, as well as maybe some spin-off based moves and you have a pretty neat character.

Toad: Toad may be a longshot at this point, due to Nintendo's recent decision to make him practically not exist, but before they decided to use him less, he too was a major player. He was playable in SMB2, was Peach's loyal friend in most of the original games, starred in Wario's Woods and was a major character in all the cartoon series'. Toad's moveset maybe a little harder to come up with than Bowser Jr's, but it could be done.

Geno: Geno's popularity is undeniable and because we're not Nintendo and don't have to go through Square to get him in the game, I see no reason he shouldn't be included. He's got plenty of moves and plenty of popularity to back him up.

Paper Mario: While I for one am not a big fan of alternate versions of the same character *Though I do love me some Toon Link*, Paper Mario is different enough from Mario himself to actually have an original moveset and be an all around fun character. Plus, a sprite sheet already exists.

If we're using Gooey, I think Bowser Jr. seems like a logical choice.

(07-08-2009, 10:03 PM)Tonberry2k Wrote: I want to make the clones different, but still familiar to Smash Bros players.

I had made Alternate Movesets for a few of the clones, Mainly Ganndwarf, Falco, and Toon Link a while back. I'll see if I can find em.

I think this would be a resonable roster.

I thought of an alternate vB for Luigi!

Poltergust 3000! Since Mario has F.L.U.D.D., why can't Luigi have his Gadd device? Comments?

(07-09-2009, 01:46 PM)blah475 Wrote:
I think this would be a resonable roster.

A few notes;

-The major thing keeping me from saying Geno should be in is that it seems odd for Mallow to be the only one left out, but I don't think we can include both characters.
-Paper Mario and Paper Luigi seems like overkill.
-Doc should be an alternate costume, if anything.
-if we include Pichu he'll need a whole new gimmick.
-Krystal is a much better choice than Panther.
-We need to choose between Young and Toon Link. There's no reason to have three different versions of a character.
-Toon Zelda and Tetra seem unnecessary.
-Waluigi is too underdeveloped as a character to be included, In my opinion.
-Shadow and Silver and Sonic is overkill.
-Master Chief, Spyro, and Crash are way out of place.
-Pac-man could be replaced with a more interesting Namco representative.
-No Liquid Snake. One third party per company.
-No Bowser Jr or Claus?
-No Tabuu.

Alright



I think we should vote for the Returns first.
Then the new 1st party
Then Finally the 3rd party.

We need some order in this thread.


IIRC, though the confirmed characters Are Gooey, Paerp Mario, Mega Man and Bomber Man, right?

Can we set up a poll or something?

(07-09-2009, 02:35 PM)sky_blue_wiggler Wrote: I thought of an alternate vB for Luigi!

Poltergust 3000! Since Mario has F.L.U.D.D., why can't Luigi have his Gadd device? Comments?

I was actually thinking about that, great idea. Could ROB's B attack be Stack-It-Up?