This may be a good idea for Nintendo's next generation system.

except nintendo will find some way to cock it all up and turn it into a gimmicky pile of shit like they've done with the last two systems

when they both couldve been really great systems

(08-16-2008, 10:55 PM)Rubbers Wrote: except nintendo will find some way to cock it all up and turn it into a gimmicky pile of shit like they've done with the last two systems

The Gamecube was gimmicky? <_<

Anyway, I've always been a Ninty person myself, but I gotta admit the console just downright sucks. I mean, the motion control thing was cool the first time playing with it, but it got old quickly and really... swinging my wrist around to make Link do some weird motion isn't as fun as it is made to be. Also, playing MKWii with the Wiimote = worst experience ever. Of course, it still has it's fair amount of games, but they are all just 1st Party titles that fail to surprise at all. 3rd Parties are either huge letdowns, ports or not worth of my attention. Although Deadly Creatures looks cool, I can't trust THQ with anything. I kinda hate Nintendo right now, and my respect for Miyamoto is dropping quickly.

The PS3 is cool and all, but it lacks a good library. 'Nuff said, honestly.

The 360 is definitely the way to go. While most of the well-known games consist of FPS, there's a LOT to see here, and people usually just ignore them or they aren't as appealing. But really, when games such as Vesperia and Eternal Sonata exist in the RPG Category, Viva Pinata in the Simulation category, GTA4 in the roam-some-place category, etc. exist, then there's NOTHING to worry about here. I trust an even brighter future awaits the 360.

(08-17-2008, 03:31 AM)Whispy Wrote: The Gamecube was gimmicky? <_<

Meant the DS and the Wii

The DS is actually insanely popular in the handheld market. The presence of its gimmick is obvious, but the entire spectrum of gamers (aside from Sony fanboys) is loving it.

I think Microsoft will have to drop out of the gaming market eventually. Nintendo (and to a small extent, Sony) has a huge leap ahead of anybody else as far as motion control is concerned. Sony has already made the jump to HD and its library will steadily grow.

In roughly 5-10 years, Wii's succesor (or through several upgrades to the original Wii) will probably be coming out with enchanced motion controls (or maybe even the use of the Z Cam), 360 will be showing its age so Microsoft will need to create an HD console, and Sony's system will still be current and powerful.

Everyone seems to forget Super Mario Galaxy. Also if the Wii sucks, why is it the best selling console?

(08-17-2008, 10:09 PM)koopaul Wrote: Everyone seems to forget Super Mario Galaxy. Also if the Wii sucks, why is it the best selling console?

nobody's forgetting galaxy. it's not mentioned because it sucks.

(08-17-2008, 10:09 PM)koopaul Wrote: Everyone seems to forget Super Mario Galaxy. Also if the Wii sucks, why is it the best selling console?

Its the cheapest and contains most party games, and is marketed as being the funniest console out there when the whole swinging remote thing becomes repetitive after the 80th game. Oh and this whole wii mote on its side sucks.


Though I do like TP for its cursor shooting thing, which I wouldn't want to go back to using the controller, I also have heard good things about Metriod Prime 3's controls.

Prime 3's controls are waaay overrated, but it's not the game's fault, it's the controller. They made the best out of it, but the game would've been way better with the normal GCN controls.

edit: Galaxy's controls were ass too, I don't know why they had to make every other required movement be executed by shaking the Wiimote

(08-17-2008, 10:51 PM)Flare Wrote:

(08-17-2008, 10:09 PM)koopaul Wrote: Everyone seems to forget Super Mario Galaxy. Also if the Wii sucks, why is it the best selling console?

Its the cheapest and contains most party games, and is marketed as being the funniest console out there when the whole swinging remote thing becomes repetitive after the 80th game. Oh and this whole wii mote on its side sucks.


Though I do like TP for its cursor shooting thing, which I wouldn't want to go back to using the controller, I also have heard good things about Metriod Prime 3's controls.

prime 3's controls are virtually perfect

(08-17-2008, 03:31 AM)Whispy Wrote: The 360 is definitely the way to go. While most of the well-known games consist of FPS, there's a LOT to see here, and people usually just ignore them or they aren't as appealing. But really, when games such as Vesperia and Eternal Sonata exist in the RPG Category, Viva Pinata in the Simulation category, GTA4 in the roam-some-place category, etc. exist, then there's NOTHING to worry about here. I trust an even brighter future awaits the 360.

Very true though you forgot to mention one thing



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complex games are being fazed out. We don't need or demand 18 button games. The market doesn't demand graphics that need a 1000$+ TV to tell they are better nor does it demand any more cookie cutter "hardcore" games.

If Microsoft and Sony were truly fully for hardcores and think of this whole ordeal as a fad, why are they both scrampling to do the same trick Nintendo pulled (albeit a few years late) with games like Banjo-Kazooie N&B being more accessable, making more non-gamer type games and overall trying to jump on Nintendo's market.

And games made for everyone=/=not fun, nor does it not even mean it can't be hardcore, no one it can be hardcore.
Well honestly, a game is as hardcore or not as you make it. You could play Halo as simply as you want, or you could play it intensly...

To be honest in the future I think we'll see that the PS3 and 360 have nearly the exact same games. Gamers will then be given a choice:
a) an excellent, but not free, online service on a paper machine with hamsters in it
b) a working console but with poor online and weird shoulder buttons

Seriously though I was playing Braid today (which is more than £10.20 as you can't just spend £10.20 on Microsoft points - which is ass. Go PSN for using CURRENCY) and it woke my Girlfriend up in the other room. Was it the music? No I had headphones in - it was the 360. The 360 is so damn noisy. It destroyed my Rock Band CD and the dashboard takes a crap load of time loading the marketplace ever since I updated it. Seriously this hardware is a bag of crap. Yes it has more games but it's so unreliable, noisy, slow (had to wait 10 minutes for Market Place to load - Braid took 5 minutes to download...) and loves going RRoD as soon as you start getting into a game (GTA IV was traded in for the PS3 version - that's bad) I actually hate it. I want to hurt my 360 for the pain it has done to me. It's like dying from thirst and being handed a glass of ice cold water only to find shit has been smeared around the top and there's a turd floating in it.

The PS3's hardware is gold. Seriously when do you hear about PS3 hardware faults? And it has a nice D-pad (making Bionic Commando Rearmed so much better) but sadly doesn't have that many a great game. I don't think I could name 20 must buy PS3 games even if it is my console on choice.

The Wii is good and crap. It has so much shovel-ware it makes me cry. Metroid Prime 3 (which has good controls - the NGC controls sucked - why wasn't there an option to use the standard FPS controls?) is one of the few good games. I seriously don't know why the Wii is doing so well except that it's got a huge marketing campaign and people buy gimmicky crap (look how much WiiFit sold...) No More Heroes, Mario Kart, Brawl and Metroid 3 are really all that interest me on it. Sure those games are good and Brawl and Karts are some of the best multi-player games you can play with friends sitting at home but the sales figures don't match what is actually on offer if you ask me.

(08-20-2008, 08:11 PM)Goemar Wrote: The Wii is good and crap. It has so much shovel-ware it makes me cry. Metroid Prime 3 (which has good controls - the NGC controls sucked - why wasn't there an option to use the standard FPS controls?) is one of the few good games. I seriously don't know why the Wii is doing so well except that it's got a huge marketing campaign and people buy gimmicky crap (look how much WiiFit sold...) No More Heroes, Mario Kart, Brawl and Metroid 3 are really all that interest me on it. Sure those games are good and Brawl and Karts are some of the best multi-player games you can play with friends sitting at home but the sales figures don't match what is actually on offer if you ask me.

You realize that Nintendo early on said "screw you competition, I'm going after a different market." And you're surprised that they're getting low tier gamers left right and sideways? Microsoft and Sony pander to high-middle to upper tiers with their games. After all, how many new gamers does it generate?

Nintendo's kicking the ass out of the other two groups in terms of getting new people to play video games. This creates a bit of what you call a tier-explosion. That shovelware you talk about is actually easy-to-learn, easy-to-play game tiers that the others have long since forgotten, albeit a few minor games here and there. So Nintendo gets new gamers, the other consoles look at the sales and drool, and follow suit. Nintendo, meanwhile, moves up the tiers of complexity to guide their new members into the higher tiers and turn them into solid gamers, which is good for the market.

No, I'm not claiming Nintendo's a god or anything, I'm just saying their business model is fantastic for sales. Cheapest console, readily available games and easy to pick up and play, with in-house games of good quality. Can't ask much more for people to get newbies involved. So Nintendo's sales are driven by newbies and fans, and yanno what? That's what keeps them securely in the black.