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Excalibur Zero · (This post was last modified: 02-03-2013, 04:58 PM by Excalibur Zero.)

Game: Lux-Pain
System: Nintendo DS

These are my first rips, so please let me know if there is anything I can do better for them.

Garamonde · 02-19-2013, 12:31 PM

first off, we don't have this game on the site, so we'll need a game icon (that contains a screenshot of the game in action), and the QR Cards also seems to need an icon, so if you could help with that it'd be great. Tongue

btw sorry for taking so long to get to this. :s

Davy Jones · (This post was last modified: 02-19-2013, 12:50 PM by Davy Jones.)

I think the parts (backgrounds, fonts, portraits, etc.) are enough and also more useful.

If we go with this, then we could also accept message boxes.

Garamonde · 02-19-2013, 03:42 PM

I also want to mention about taking care about blank space on the sheets. as in, making sure the sprites don't have too much space between them horizontally and vertically (this doesn't mean having them so close the pixels touch though of course Tongue

), kept decently cropped, and that your credit tag doesnt outstretch it too much.

Excalibur Zero · 02-22-2013, 11:13 AM

Ok, here is the game icon:
[Image: Lux-Pain-icon_zps752de77e.png]

And here is the icon for the QR Cards:
[Image: Lux-Pain-QRCards_icon_zps37ba48ac.png]

Davy Jones · (This post was last modified: 02-22-2013, 12:23 PM by Davy Jones.)

(02-19-2013, 12:49 PM)Davy Jones Wrote: I think the parts (backgrounds, fonts, portraits, etc.) are enough and also more useful.

What about this? Just the assembled screens are useless. You should give Barubary's tools and Tinke a try.

Garamonde · 02-22-2013, 01:03 PM

you can find Tinke plus a tutorial (written by redblueyellow) here: http://www.spriters-resource.com/communi...?tid=21436

Davy Jones · 02-22-2013, 01:25 PM

RedBlueYellows DS Ripping tutorial:
http://spriters-resource.com/community/s...?tid=21436

And a PM with other helpful information:

Spoiler

redblueyellow Wrote:Hey Davias,

I noticed that you were looking for help with ripping from Black Sigil, so I thought I'd send you a PM.

As far as ripping from DS games in general goes, tools such as consoleTool and tahaxan work well (both do the same job). From there all you have to do is drag and drop/ open the ds rom into the program and start searching for the correct files.

.NANR (animation), .NCER (cell, usually for sprites), .NCBR(graphics, usually sprites), .NGCR (graphics, usually backgrounds), .NCLR (palette), .NCSR (screen, usually for backgrounds) are preferred to find as they all correspond directly to the sprites, but some games have the graphics compressed into other types of files such as .bin, .dat, .arc or .narc (to name a few).

When it comes to .bin, .dat, .arc, etc Barubary and Dazz might be better to PM (as they have a lot more knowledge of this kind of stuff than me ), but one tool to look at is GenericBUnpacker.

.NANR, .NCER, etc. (all of the file types mentioned above) can then be opened in OilOfVitriol and the sprites will show up there.

Most (if not all) of the programs that I mentioned should be in Barubary's ripping thread (might have to search if it isn't on the first page), but if it isn't there Barubary should have it (or I could send it to you).

Anyways, I currently don't have the rom of the game, but I'll try and get it soon to help with ripping. If searching through the game's files doesn't work, then playing through the game might be your best bet. (I'm pretty sure there is another way through using TileGGD, but I'm absolutely horrible when it comes to working with that ).

Also, DeSuME is another good emulator as far as the DS goes. It's free and comes with an OAM/ Map viewer to get the sprites/ maps by themselves.

If you haven't already done so, I suggest PMing Barubary for help as he is extremely knowledgeable when it comes to DS ripping.

Hope it works out with the game! And I might give it a shot if there's room for one more ripper for the game.

Excalibur Zero · 02-24-2013, 08:02 PM

I looked through the tutorial and figured out the basics to Tinke.

I have a few general questions.

1. When ripping sheets should I make a thread for each sheet, game, or just a general thread?

2. For one sheet I am working on I am not sure if I should split it into smaller sheets or make it one very large sheet. It is the idle map icons for the different classes in FE12 and their palettes. If it would be individual sheets it would look like this:

http://i.imgur.com/xjl4YIb.png

Garamonde · 02-24-2013, 11:44 PM

1. general threads are preferred, but you don't have to if you don't plan to submit often. otherwise one thread would be better.
2. they should be all together as they are not big enough to warrant their own sheets.

Previous · 02-25-2013, 04:19 AM

I wouldn't make the palettes that large. Also since there are only two palettes per character, I think you could also just put the other colour version up instead of the palettes - especially the way you have it now, it wouldn't even need more space, but actually less!

Another thing is the transparency: Those sprites there lost their black outlines since they're on a black background (the first and third (and last) palette colours are the same).

Are the idle animations all you can get? If I remember correctly, Shadow Dragon had files with the idle animations and files with all animations, thought I'd have to re-check that. I assume FE12 does it in a similar fashion?

PS: I looked at the Shadow Dragon files. They have those idle animations in a "2" folder and all frames for all map unit animations in a "3" folder. However, those won't display properly due to some palette index issues (I ripped them using a tool I made that corrects them).

Excalibur Zero · 02-25-2013, 04:18 PM

(02-25-2013, 04:19 AM)Previous Wrote: I wouldn't make the palettes that large. Also since there are only two palettes per character, I think you could also just put the other colour version up instead of the palettes - especially the way you have it now, it wouldn't even need more space, but actually less!

Another thing is the transparency: Those sprites there lost their black outlines since they're on a black background (the first and third (and last) palette colours are the same).

Are the idle animations all you can get? If I remember correctly, Shadow Dragon had files with the idle animations and files with all animations, thought I'd have to re-check that. I assume FE12 does it in a similar fashion?

PS: I looked at the Shadow Dragon files. They have those idle animations in a "2" folder and all frames for all map unit animations in a "3" folder. However, those won't display properly due to some palette index issues (I ripped them using a tool I made that corrects them).

How can I get them with the black outlines, besides hard ripping them, Is there any way to do that with the files?

The files seem to be similar to FE11, so what tool do I need to fix the other animations?

Previous · 02-25-2013, 04:34 PM

You could change the palette data manually with a hex editor. That's basically what I am doing except not really. I have my own program to convert such graphics and it has an option to replace palette colour #0 with my own choice, this way I can avoid such overlaps.

All those files are awfully similar, though the event scenes are now packed into one file each instead of three files per image. Plus they now use LZ11 at some points and not only LZ10...
The map character sprites use the same format as in Shadow Dragon, so my tool can convert them easily (the manual way would be to fill the palette files to push the palettes into the right spot) so all that's left is glueing them together on a sheet. I've also got the mugshots and portraits, player avatar, battle animations and several scene images. I guess you can leave these to me (especially since my tool is hardly user-friendly and the manual way means a lot of work) and I'll throw them up during the next few days.

Excalibur Zero · 02-25-2013, 08:21 PM

I have another question. I tried getting sprites from Chrono Trigger for the DS and Lux-Pain using Tinke. I think I found the location of some of the sprites, but I am unable to find the palette for them. Is there any way to open special sprites that don't seem to have a palette?

Previous · 02-26-2013, 06:25 AM

While you could just use whatever palette you have at hand, they wouldn't turn out correctly. Different games handle things differently, so the palettes may be inside the sprite files or in some files with vague names. Maybe this guide is helpful. In some cases, you may even have to extract the files and use tools like TiledGGD to get the graphics.

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