also found some news about microsoft and rare and the Xbox one -.-

http://mynintendonews.com/2013/05/23/mic...one-at-e3/

From what I read, it's near-confirmed that that's Killer Instinct.
They renewed the trademark recently and there's been some other stuff about it.

http://wiiudaily.com/2013/05/wii-u-sales...ase-in-uk/
lol

so yeah i saw this and it brings up some valid points

Quote:Alright, if you’re a consumer and you’re considering picking up the new Xbox One console, then please, take a moment to listen to me. Before we begin, no, I am not a fanboy or a hater. I have no console Bias. I have a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, and a Gaming PC. Each has their pros and cons but now onto business.

DO NOT BUY AN XBOX ONE. Why? See the reasons below:

Xbox Requires an internet connection. Here’s how it works: Every 24 hours your Xbox will try to connect to Microsoft’s servers for verification. If it is unable to connect, sucks to be you. You’re blocked from playing even single player games until it can connect.

Source: http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-does-require-...-509164109

Do you like renting games, lending them to a friend, or even borrowing them from a friend? No longer possible. Every Xbox One game you get must be registered to your Xbox live account to be played. After that point it will only work for you. No one else can use it unless they pay a fee. Essentially it works like this. You pick up a used Xbox One game from somewhere or someone, pop it into your console. The system verifies it’s been registered to your account. Uh-oh, it isn’t! In order to play it, you have to pay Microsoft a fee, which is currently slated to be full retail price. Doesn’t matter how scratched up it is or how cheap you got it at gamestop or from a friend. You aren’t just buying the physical copies anymore. You’re paying Microsoft for a LICENSE to be allowed to play that game.

It is worth mentioning Microsoft is exploring ways for you to trade in and resell your used games. This is rumored to mean that you can sell your digital license to play the game (registration) back to microsoft, likely for microsoft points. You can then trade in the game at gamespot for some cash if you like. Either way, as it currently stands, the new owner would still have to pay a fee on top of the price of actually buying the physical copy.

Source: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/05/21/...ail-price/

Is it worth mentioning that Microsoft if shafting Indie Developers as well? Where as on Playstation Network or (whatever the Wii has) Indie Developers can self publish their content easily. Playstation even encourages this. Microsoft however forces these Indie Devs to enter publishing deals with them to be allowed to market their content. You don’t go through them, you don’t get to sell what you developed.

Source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/i...n-xbox-one

I’m not quite done yet! Now, I’m sure you heard a lot about “TV TV TV TV SPORTS TV TV SPORTS SPORTS TV.” Yes, the Xbox is slated to be able to stream live tv, live sports, etc. So let me ask you this. You obviously already have something like cable or DirecTV. Do you really want to shell out hundreds of dollars more and pay a monthly subscription fee to have another television provider? Yes, I said hundreds of dollars, and I don’t mean the cost of the console. To view live TV from the Xbox you are required to purchase ANOTHER separate device for it to work. Why would you even consider shelling out more money for something you already have anyway? Even if you didn’t, DirecTV is cheaper. Or you could even subscribe you Hulu.com and watch live tv on your computer. FOR MUCH CHEAPER. You essentially have to buy another cable box if you don’t have one. And if you do… what do you need the Xbox One for?

Source: http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one...te-device/

So far we’ve discovered that the Xbox One is not really a gaming console, at least… not a consumer friendly gaming console. It’s being marketed as an all-in-one home entertainment system. Something to replace all of the other devices in your house. But there are drawbacks even to that. Put on your tin foil hats for this part folks. Take from it what you will, all I’ll say is… possibilities…

The Xbox One’s features will not function unless the Kinect is plugged in and active. This is not an optional piece anymore.

Source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/21/x...t-attached

So imagine your Kinect piece breaks? Tough luck, no more Xbox for you. But you know what’s worse?

Pay attention, because this is important. The Kinect is always watching. Always listening. Even when the system is off.

Yes. One of the ways to turn the system on is to audibly say: “Xbox On” while the system is off. The Kinect, which is always on, hears you and turns it on. Now this might seem like a cool feature, but did you know Microsoft patented a feature that would allow the Kinect’s camera (It’s no longer just a sensor, but a camera) to spy on you for the MPAA (Motion Picture Association of America?) While they may not actually do this, it is actually possible for them to do this now. It has a camera, and a microphone. The Kinect is always on. It is ALWAYS listening, ALWAYS watching.

An idea has been tossed around that by using this feature, it will allows game developers and movie produces to set a limited amount of how many people can be allowed to view the entertainment. So as a hypothetical example, you and three friends are watching a movie, which is the maximum allowed. A fourth friend enters the room and the Kinect’s sensor registers the fourth individual. The movie stops and you a prompted to pay a fee so that the extra individual may also view the film. Again, that is NOT currently the case, but these are the ideas currently being tossed around with the system’s current capabilities.

Source for listening: http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/435259...-listening

Source of spying: http://www.extremetech.com/gaming/139706...r-the-mpaa

Now, just two more things and I’ll be done here!

This isn’t really a good or bad thing, but it’s annoying. It also explains how they can prevent you from playing a used game if you didn’t pay their fee. Xbox one no longer plays games off the discs, you HAVE to install them to the hard-drive in order to play them. I believe PS3 also has you do this (on a number of games but not always it seems), except that PS3 isn’t trying to Nickle and Dime you at every corner. It also seems according to this article there is something related to the Online portion at the beginning of this post. The option is there for Developers to require the Xbox to always be online to play their particular game. Well, it seems PC gamers and console gamers have one thing in common now… DRM.

(At least pirates on PC can bypass DRM easily. Not an option for Consoles.)

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/435231...e-installs

And last but not least, another annoyance… Xbox One will not be compatible with any and all current headsets. Nope, companies will either have to make new headsets altogether specifically for the Xbox One, and they have to adhere to what Microsoft wants. Look forward to price gouging.

Source: http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/05/22/x...g-headsets

Oh, one more thing… If you have an Xbox 360, don’t get rid of it. Why? Well if you want to keep playing your old 360 games you’ll need it. The Xbox One isn’t backwards compatible. At all. Not only that, but President of Microsoft’s Xbox Division Don Mattrick insults the very notion of backwards compatibility! He calls it: “Backwards thinking.”

Source: http://www.theverge.com/2013/5/21/435066...mpatibilty

Source of insult: http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/22/4355984...n-mattrick


That is all I have to say currently folks, and I hope you took the time to read this far. I’ll conclude with the following… please… PLEASE do not buy this console. Paying for this supports greedy and anti-consumer business practices. Speak with your wallet, and pass up the Xbox One. No matter what games it might have that you want, even if they are exclusive. Do the right thing and make a statement. Refuse to be nickle and dimed like this. Refuse to be seen as a mindless consumer who will buy anything tossed to them.

We won’t know much else until after E3, but as it stands now, the PS4 or a decent gaming PC is the best way to go.

If you are willing to do so, please spread this post around. Liking is not even remotely necessary, but do please share it if you agree with and acknowledge what you’ve read here. The more people know, the fewer of them waste their money.

Thank you, kindly.

~Dylan Jordan

So, basically they made this console for themselves and not their consumers.

Time to copy and paste that everywhere...so people can see the futility in all of this. Jeez, I feel like a Redditer.

Lexou Duck...yikes, that's...disturbing!

I also heard that supposedly for a store to be able to buyback used Xbox One games, they must register officially with Microsoft, for some kind of cloud storage thing, which...erases your files once you sell your used game. Just for that game, but yikes, not even your save files and date are safe! But I'm not 100% sure about this, partially because Microsoft is being so vague about all of it...
http://www.gamespot.com//news/xbox-one-p...ed-6408850

It doesn't have to be true to scare customers away. It makes sense that most of those worries will fade once Microsoft disproves one and other, if that happens (which I doubt). Still, with the news and rumors floating around the internet so far, I don't feel confident many people are eagerly jumping to get this.

(05-24-2013, 05:27 PM)Iceman404 Wrote: http://wiiudaily.com/2013/05/wii-u-sales...ase-in-uk/
lol

It begins~

(05-24-2013, 05:36 AM)Stasis Rune Wrote: So...wait, is the "used game fee" real or not!? I hope it's fake, because it's like totally bogus!

Actually, one last thing about this that's been really bothering me (and please shed some light on this, guys):

hasn't the PC been doing this for years now?

(05-26-2013, 08:09 PM)Rosencrantz Wrote: hasn't the PC been doing this for years now?

Short answer: Yes.
Just look at Steam.
Not that there are piss easy ways around that in most cases.


on a somewhat related note:
http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=...tml&anno=2

I'm not super familiar with the way data protection laws work in Germany, but basically some goverment guys are worried about what the console, or rather kinect, picks up and how the whole stuff gets used.

That means that there might be the need of a major overhaul in the way the whole thing works, since it seems somewhat shady so far (especially with so much rumors and half truths circulating the web).

And in the worst case, the whole thing could potentionally be banned completely.


I know I might be overreacting or overthinking this right now, but the mere thought of the XBone getting banned over here is kinda funny to me.

(05-26-2013, 09:02 PM)Vic Wrote: I know I might be overreacting or overthinking this right now, but the mere thought of the XBone getting banned over here is kinda funny to me.

XBoned

Quote:Actually, one last thing about this that's been really bothering me (and please shed some light on this, guys):

hasn't the PC been doing this for years now?

Used game fees? No.
DRM? Yes.

But there is a VERY big difference between PC's DRM and the proposed X1 DRM.

CD Keys are understandable on the PC, especially considering how easy it is to pirate games. But CD keys don't link to a single account that only lets you play games on one single device on one single account. You can install that game under the same CD key at a friend's house and both of you can play that game. Or, in certain cases like Starcraft, you can install it wherever you want (it's not like anybody actually pays attention to ToS agreements, allowed or not) but you can only play on official game servers from one computer at a time per CD key. Single player and LAN are free to play on however many computers you want, and this is totally understandable.

"But what about Steam????? That locks your games to a single account and you have to be online!"
Which is true. Partly.

There's a reason why Steam is so widely used even though it has DRM: it's consumer-friendly.
Steam requires you to only log into a computer once to activate it to use Steam. Once that computer is activated, you can play any of your games on it, online or not, any time you want as long as they're installed. Steam does not require you to phone home every 24 hours (or at all) and it doesn't lock you out of playing games in Offline Mode.
On top of that, you can install your games on any computer you want, and though only one of those computers can be online at any time, so long as your account is logged in (in offline mode), you can play your games on as many computers as you want.

Steam games are also ridiculously cheap during sales, to the point where they're so inexpensive that nobody even really cares about the DRM. Also, no Live paywall.

In short,

Quote:"IT'S JUST LIKE STEAM"

Except the lack of modding.
And the lack of communities that thrive on modding.
And the lack of low prices.
And the lack of control choices.
And the lack of customizable graphics.
And the lack of free online gaming.
And the lack of being able to download demos day one if you don't pay for online gaming.

Quote:Why Steam is better even though the DRM systems are similar:
-You are not locked into buying your PC from Valve.
-You don't pay an extra console tax for PC games.
-Steam has great sales.
-You can upgrade your PC at any time and still play your games.
-You don't pay anything to access Steam.
-Valve has a long history of being pretty good to gamers. Microsoft has a history of being dicks.
-Steam's off-line mode doesn't need to be on the internet every 24 hours.
-Steam does not require Kinect.
-Steam has great sales.
-Steam doesn't discourage game updates the way console makers do.

Not to mention the fact that you're not even required to use Steam to play PC games at all. GoG.com has (many of) the same games Steam does, completely DRM-free. Or you don't have to use any of those at all. That's the thing about an open platform, you have choices. The Xbone? Nope. You're forced to either do things Microsoft's way, or not at all.

So no, PC hasn't really been doing this for years.
Yeah, DRM is a thing, but not like this.
This is blatantly anti-consumer.

edit: I really don't mean to defend the Xbox One, but if you're gonna go on a crusade, at least get your facts straight. Lexou, I know you didn't write that post above, but if you guys repost it, please don't allow this part to spread:

Quote:I’m not quite done yet! Now, I’m sure you heard a lot about “TV TV TV TV SPORTS TV TV SPORTS SPORTS TV.” Yes, the Xbox is slated to be able to stream live tv, live sports, etc. So let me ask you this. You obviously already have something like cable or DirecTV. Do you really want to shell out hundreds of dollars more and pay a monthly subscription fee to have another television provider? Yes, I said hundreds of dollars, and I don’t mean the cost of the console. To view live TV from the Xbox you are required to purchase ANOTHER separate device for it to work. Why would you even consider shelling out more money for something you already have anyway? Even if you didn’t, DirecTV is cheaper. Or you could even subscribe you Hulu.com and watch live tv on your computer. FOR MUCH CHEAPER. You essentially have to buy another cable box if you don’t have one. And if you do… what do you need the Xbox One for?

Source: http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one...te-device/

As I posted here: http://www.spriters-resource.com/communi...#pid514967
You don't have to have a separate device. The Xbone will most likely use the cable box/DVR that -you already have- and simply pass the signal through to the TV. The post complains that you shouldn't buy the service and get DirecTV instead, but the way it's gonna work... that's what you'd be doing anyway?????

(05-26-2013, 11:45 PM)Vipershark Wrote: edit: I really don't mean to defend the Xbox One, but if you're gonna go on a crusade, at least get your facts straight. Lexou, I know you didn't write that post above, but if you guys repost it, please don't allow this part to spread:

Quote:I’m not quite done yet! Now, I’m sure you heard a lot about “TV TV TV TV SPORTS TV TV SPORTS SPORTS TV.” Yes, the Xbox is slated to be able to stream live tv, live sports, etc. So let me ask you this. You obviously already have something like cable or DirecTV. Do you really want to shell out hundreds of dollars more and pay a monthly subscription fee to have another television provider? Yes, I said hundreds of dollars, and I don’t mean the cost of the console. To view live TV from the Xbox you are required to purchase ANOTHER separate device for it to work. Why would you even consider shelling out more money for something you already have anyway? Even if you didn’t, DirecTV is cheaper. Or you could even subscribe you Hulu.com and watch live tv on your computer. FOR MUCH CHEAPER. You essentially have to buy another cable box if you don’t have one. And if you do… what do you need the Xbox One for?

Source: http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one...te-device/

As I posted here: http://www.spriters-resource.com/communi...#pid514967
You don't have to have a separate device. The Xbone will most likely use the cable box/DVR that -you already have- and simply pass the signal through to the TV. The post complains that you shouldn't buy the service and get DirecTV instead, but the way it's gonna work... that's what you'd be doing anyway?????

As much as I'd like to agree with this part... well...

There hasn't really been anything that was confirmed about this feature works.

Microsoft hasn't exactly been straightforward with the console and how the hell it's supposed to operate, but a lot of what has been said already gave everyone enough fear to assume that it's going to be the case.

Unless Microsoft says otherwise then right now a whole range of possibilities is up in the air.

Other than that I pretty much agree with the rest of the post you just made.

this video proves Microsoft workers are pretty dumb,