(06-11-2013, 03:36 PM)Rλy Wrote: Knowing that they'll most likely use Other M's Ridley clone instead of the actual Ridley, if they decide to include him at all, I'd rather not see him become playable. We're probably going to get Zero Suit Samus (Other M version, ridiculous heels and all) as the "second Metroid character" even though she doesn't really count as a different character any more than Sheik does.

Dark Samus isn't totally out of the question... Though, I doubt we'll get her either.

(Strange, my posts don't seem to be showing up correctly.)

But no really, I get the idea that Other M was shit but honestly it's no less of a nintendo game than any other one. To be quite honest I think it's a little absurd that there are people whining about the appearance of Samus being close to that game in specific.

(06-11-2013, 03:41 PM)TreeStar Wrote: But no really, I get the idea that Other M was shit but honestly it's no less of a nintendo game than any other one. To be quite honest I think it's a little absurd that there are people whining about the appearance of Samus being close to that game in specific.

Exactly. I never played Other M, but I understand why it's the black sheep of the series. However, it doesn't take away the fact that Samus looks like Samus.

Ha. Wii fitness trainer. SIlly, and helps the gender ratio. That's thinking outside the box.

I liked Tonberry2k's little predictions, so I'd like to try my hand at some of the ones I don't quite agree with him on.

(06-11-2013, 01:52 PM)Tonberry2k Wrote: Kirby has all of the characters it needs. It theoretically has room for one more, and if so, it'll be Bandana Waddle Dee. Can we all agree on that?

I agree with this for the most part. Like you, I find Kirby has all the characters it really needs. There's others I'd like to see as well, but I also think if Kirby gets any it will only be one. Where you and I differ is who would be the next Kirby if any.
Bandana Waddle Dee has many of the same disadvantages you mentioned for toad. Slight lack of a moveset (and nothing suitible he can borrow from Kirby either) and mostly being represented in Dedede's moveset are decent strikes against him showing. I'm leaning more towards Magolar actually. He may break the pattern, but Kirby doesn't have a suitable love interest, and Magolar has more than enough moves.

As a side note: I'd really like to see an Adeliene assist trophy, if assist trophies return.

Quote:Metroid is all about Samus. With two versions of her, it's difficult to imagine we'd need anyone else. But still, people have been clamoring for Ridley for years.

Ridley: The space dragon. He's cool, he's terrifying, he's Samus's biggest rival. Size isn't really relevant, as Olimar and Bowser are both in with adjusted sizes. So where's the problem?

Positives: Metroid's most recognizable face after its protagonist. He's the Xenomorph to Samus's Ripley.
Negatives: But when you get down to it, what does Ridley offer that Charizard doesn't already? He can fly and shoot fire. They both can. If there's some major reshuffling, I can see Ridley making the cut, but as-is, this story is all about Samus and everything else isn't as important.

Hunters: A bunch of space bounty hunters who appeared in some Metroid games.

Positives: They have names, I guess. And viable movesets.
Negatives: They have zero personality and aside from some cosmetics, each of them plays exactly like all the rest. Nothing sets them apart or makes them interesting.

Verdict: Two Samuses seems like plenty from this franchise.

There's two reasons Metroid needs another character: First, it's one of the bigger IP nintendo has. Regardless of the character focus, people want more characters from it, just to show it's getting the same amount of love. Really, if metroid had some more suitable reoccuring characters, they'd be a sure in.
Second: I'm pretty certain there's a lot of people who don't find ZSS to count as a second metroid character, myself included. Really, ZSS is just an expansion on Samus, the same way Shiek is one for Zelda, and Charizard/Ivysaur/squirtle are all the same character "pokemon trainer". Yes you CAN play them as a separate character, but really you have access to both as a single character.

With that said: You've already covered all pros and cons of ridley as a playable, and he was well served as a subspace boss, so it would be nice to see him return as such if not playable

I'd like to highlight some of the stand outs from the rest of the cast:

Rundas: If he had a longer run, just from what little we know of the guy, I could have seen him turning into Samus's rival-sidekick so to speak. That gives him a bit of a boost compared to the others. Also could serve as a peace offering saying "We'll be more like Prime next Metroid game"
Pros: From the last good Metroid game, enough moves for a full moveset, and a unique one at that.
Cons: Older game, really not that important to it either.

Anthony/Adam/GF soldier: I can already hear the groans, but this is a real possibility. If Other M was actually a GOOD game, Anthony/Adam would have been a sure in. Ones the closest to a sidekick Samus has ever had, the other is plot significant (I think Anthony has more chance to show up to fight in the future though, so I think he'd be the better fit). There's two ways I can see the moveset coming together as well. The first is only an option if Snake isn't returning. All they'd have to do is reskin snake into a metroid flavor and maybe adjust a few moves (and the taunts), and they'd be done. The second would be to take the few know abilities he has in game, add stuff the GF troopers had in Prime 3, and fill out the rest with gear Samus has but isn't using in brawl (Like what Zelda did).
Like Samus's Shinespark, or Diffusion Missile. (Adam/Anthony would definitely have Ice beam though).
Pros: Actually have significance to the series, green color could poach Halo fans, decent material to work with for move set.
Con: From a really bad Metroid game.

Personally: Hoping Rundas or Ridley.

I'm not going to be surprised at all if Anthony Higgs/Remember Me Guy gets in over Ridley and Ridley is kept as a boss.

I see a lot of hate coming in if that's the case but honestly its better than no one. That's just me being honest.

EDIT: Also Groose.

I don't care if he isn't playable but it'd be nice to see him get in. Who knows, he might end up replacing toon link.

Metroids exist too. You know, the titular parasites? Omega Metroid (or Zeta Metroid if Omega's too big) would be cool to play as.

[Quote: NICKtendo DS: Exactly. I never played Other M, but I understand why it's the black sheep of the series. However, it doesn't take away the fact that Samus looks like Samus.]

Yes, Other M's rendition of the suit isn't incredibly different from the suits featured in the older games, but aesthetics aside, by representing Other M (a game Metroid fans didn't even like) they're basically celebrating a game that was an absolute disgrace to Samus' character and the Metroid series as a whole. (Wow, nearly three years on and I'm still mad about this...)

In reply to TreeStar, Anthony was the only character I liked in the entire game, so I'd much rather see him than say, the Ridley clone or god forbid Adam. Though, it's not like he has much in the way of moves (Generic gun, generic freeze gun, generic huge plasma gun).

Really, I'm only hoping for Dark Samus, since she's different enough to have her own interesting set of moves. Perhaps her Final Smash could even be a Metroid Prime transformation? That would be just smashing.

I really like Tonberry2k's predictions. Heck, some of them are the predictions I would make myself. Especially about Anthony as I found him great. And frikkin Megaman in Smash Brothers is awesome!

(06-11-2013, 04:33 PM)Rλy Wrote: Yes, Other M's rendition of the suit isn't incredibly different from the suits featured in the older games, but aesthetics aside, by representing Other M (a game Metroid fans didn't even like) they're basically celebrating a game that was an absolute disgrace to Samus' character and the Metroid series as a whole. (Wow, nearly three years on and I'm still mad about this...)

Quick question: What was Samus's character before that? I'm looking at the Wiki and they said the only glimpses of it were in three games: Metroid Fusion, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, and Metroid: Other M. In Metroid Fusion (the last in the Timeline), there were a lot of reflection on moments in Other M.

(06-11-2013, 04:33 PM)Rλy Wrote: Yes, Other M's rendition of the suit isn't incredibly different from the suits featured in the older games, but aesthetics aside, by representing Other M (a game Metroid fans didn't even like) they're basically celebrating a game that was an absolute disgrace to Samus' character and the Metroid series as a whole. (Wow, nearly three years on and I'm still mad about this...)

Except they're not trying to celebrate Other M. They're only updating the models.

Does that mean they are taking Other M's model from the game? no. They're just basing the design off of it. Not like it's the exact same thing.

EDIT: Besides, not all the metroid fans out there hate Other M. There are probably some who enjoyed them game to an extent. Ether way Sakurai has a knack for keeping up with current appearances.

I wouldn't mind Pac-Man while they're working with Namco, and maybe Frogger if they're dealing with Konami again.

Smash Bros. is easily growing to encompass the Golden Age of Gaming, which was already largely populated by Nintendo icons (Donkey Kong, Mario, Link, Samus, Ice Climbers), and now they've got Sonic and Mega Man pulling it in for the one game. There's only a small handful of third-party 8-bitters before Smash Bros. is a celebration of video gaming, and that's something I'd like to see happen.

Speaking of Konami working with Nintendo again. If it does happen I want to see Sakurai do something with the Konami code.


(A guy can dream can't he?)

(06-11-2013, 05:11 PM)AkumaTh Wrote: [*]A Character from My Little Pony: FIM (The only reason is because Bronies would buy anything pony related. Heck, they bought a little girl two extra years. They could probably triple WiiU and 3DS sales alone)

I SERIOUSLY never want this to be in Super Smash Bros.
I doubt it will anyway. (It's for video game characters)

Boswer Jr., Paper Mario, Ridley, Isaac, Saki, Little Mac, Sukapon, Waluigi, Dillon, etc...

So many characters I wish for! But say, has anyone ever wondered what will it be of Snake and Sonic?

(06-11-2013, 05:53 PM)SchAlternate Wrote: So many characters I wish for! But say, has anyone ever wondered what will it be of Snake and Sonic?

Unless Kojima is still sucking Sakurai's cock to keep Snake in I don't know whether or not he will return.

Then there's Sonic. Sonic will probably return on the count of how much Sega and Nintendo have been working with each other lately. Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if he did come back.

Or if Nintendo buys Sega at this point.

(06-11-2013, 05:11 PM)AkumaTh Wrote: A Character from My Little Pony: FIM (The only reason is because Bronies would buy anything pony related. Heck, they bought a little girl two extra years. They could probably triple WiiU and 3DS sales alone)

Fuck no.

I'd rather see Naruto get into brawl before Pinkie Pie or whatever other god damn pony there is out there. And that's saying a lot since I'm not that big of a fan of Naruto and the chances of him getting in are pretty low.

I swear to god if that ever happens I'm going to Sakurai to kill him and mangle his corpse for even putting a pony in there.

(06-11-2013, 05:11 PM)AkumaTh Wrote: A Character from My Little Pony: FIM (The only reason is because Bronies would buy anything pony related. Heck, they bought a little girl two extra years. They could probably triple WiiU and 3DS sales alone)

This is a video game, not a fan fiction. Think realistically.
It's a waste of Nintendo's, Bandai's, and Hasbro's time and money if they add a pony character to SSB. I do respect ponies, but it makes no sense and would make them lose fans if they try to cater to other ones.