Yes that's why I'm okay with Wario. (Also I just love Wario.)

And you can't count each Poketrainer Pokemon as an individual character. There's officially only four reps.

But honestly? Even if that were the case I'd be more open to more Pokemon characters than I would be more Mario, and I'm not even a big Pokemon fan. Simply because there is such a large degree of uniqueness between Pokemon that most other franchises don't offer.

I think this may hamper Waluigi's chances

(12-18-2013, 11:09 AM)Diogalesu Wrote: If Daisy got into Super Smash Bros chances are her final smash would involve her saying "HI IM DAISY" a thousand times.

But no, I don't want Daisy as a playable character in Smash. Sure she's been around longer but her importance hasn't even been noted since Super Mario Land. No, I'm not going to bother counting all the spin offs ether.

Personally, I don't think about Daisy as much as the other Mario characters out there. I'm satisfied with Peach only having an alternate costume based on Daisy and nothing more (especially since, in a nutshell, that is all Daisy is). Sure, she does have her fans and her personality is different from Peach's (even though it's more obnoxious than what Peach has), but what would they do to prevent her from being a clone of Peach?

In my honest opinion, I would say that both Bowser Jr. and Waluigi have a better shot of becoming playable character due to their structural differences from their counterparts, more defined personalities (Waluigi definitely shows this more clearly in all of the spinoffs he has appeared in as opposed to Daisy), and offering unique abilities that could be useful in a fighting game.

(12-18-2013, 11:54 AM)E-Man Wrote:

(12-18-2013, 11:09 AM)Diogalesu Wrote: If Daisy got into Super Smash Bros chances are her final smash would involve her saying "HI IM DAISY" a thousand times.

But no, I don't want Daisy as a playable character in Smash. Sure she's been around longer but her importance hasn't even been noted since Super Mario Land. No, I'm not going to bother counting all the spin offs ether.

Personally, I don't think about Daisy as much as the other Mario characters out there. I'm satisfied with Peach only having an alternate costume based on Daisy and nothing more (especially since, in a nutshell, that is all Daisy is). Sure, she does have her fans and her personality is different from Peach's (even though it's more obnoxious than what Peach has), but what would they do to prevent her from being a clone of Peach?

In my honest opinion, I would say that both Bowser Jr. and Waluigi have a better shot of becoming playable character due to their structural differences from their counterparts, more defined personalities (Waluigi definitely shows this more clearly in all of the spinoffs he has appeared in as opposed to Daisy), and offering unique abilities that could be useful in a fighting game.

But in all seriousness has sakurai even considered one character from a spin-off of mario? at all?

Not that I don't support characters such as waluigi being included. But if we had all the spin off characters getting in the roster we'd have a shit ton of pointless characters over representing one series. And why have that?

We already complained about sakurai not representing enough f-zero, or metroid, or even Donkey Kong. But at the same time if the character bears enough importance to their series then they should be playable, That's why I'm okay with Rosalina being playable because she beared alot of importance to the mario series since her introduction in Mario Galaxy to when she became playable in 3D world. If a character doesn't have that big of an importance then they should just be put as assist trophies. That's why they were made to begin with.

Quote:And you can't count each Poketrainer Pokemon as an individual character. There's officially only four reps.

But honestly? Even if that were the case I'd be more open to more Pokemon characters than I would be more Mario, and I'm not even a big Pokemon fan. Simply because there is such a large degree of uniqueness between Pokemon that most other franchises don't offer.

Far as officially I'd agree, but speaking on a technical term in pokemon trainer's case it would still be six. Don't get me wrong here, but even if you could cram a ton of characters for a team you still have their each individual move set to set them apart, ignoring down B.

If we have more pokemon characters, then they should at least bring back mewtwo and if sakurai wanted to have some shits and giggles, bring back Pichu as an alternate costume for pikachu. Alternatively pokeballs are still an option for those pokemon who aren't playable.

(12-18-2013, 11:01 AM)Virtuaboy123 Wrote: With her addition I'm starting to think Vaati/Toon Zelda will be in this game as a new Zelda rep(to go along side toon link). That or Ghiraham as Rosalina was a new Wii Mario character. Sheik being replaced would cause too many people to rage...(I don't use her but she's been a favorite since melee)

Also I don't see assist trophies becoming characters at this point. (I could be wrong, I hope)

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Rosalina seems to have a meteorsmash/spike so I'll def have to check that out.
Kinda floaty like ness too.(my 2nd fav character)

Man, if Ghirahim got in, the rest of the roster could go diddle itself for all I care.

Oh god that reveal hnnngggggggggggggggggggg.

I can't say I saw this coming (because frankly I try not to actually EXPECT anything when it comes to Smash and just roll with it), but I also am not surprised. Rosalina is a character that Nintendo LOVES. Immediately after the Smash trailer they showed her off in Mario Kart 8. She just keeps getting added and added to as many games as she can fit into, and I honestly believe that someday we'll see a game or series of games revolving around her. I mean, just look at what happened in Super Mario 3D World.

I know a lot of people are probably not going to like Mario characters having such a prominent standing in Smash, but remember Mario is pretty much the flagship of this company. That franchise is gonna come first, and many of the characters are spun off that same franchise in some way. That being said, I think its unlikely (but not impossible) that another Mario character makes the cut. My personal prediction if ANY is Bowser Jr, who Miyamoto likes a lot and shoehorns in where he can. Suffice it to say with Rosalina added my hopes of any presence from the Mario RPGs is pretty much gone. Oh well, Rosalina is amazing.

(12-18-2013, 12:35 PM)Gwen Wrote:

(12-18-2013, 11:01 AM)Virtuaboy123 Wrote: With her addition I'm starting to think Vaati/Toon Zelda will be in this game as a new Zelda rep(to go along side toon link). That or Ghiraham as Rosalina was a new Wii Mario character. Sheik being replaced would cause too many people to rage...(I don't use her but she's been a favorite since melee)

Also I don't see assist trophies becoming characters at this point. (I could be wrong, I hope)

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Rosalina seems to have a meteorsmash/spike so I'll def have to check that out.
Kinda floaty like ness too.(my 2nd fav character)

Man, if Ghirahim got in, the rest of the roster could go diddle itself for all I care.

i would like sheik being replace with impa because it would make sense for zelda fans, just like back in the days of melee zelda tranforming into sheik made sense. but you had to play ocarina to get it.

impa replacing sheik als a fully new character and updated sheik would make sense only if you played ( the fucking amazing but that's beside the point ) skyward sword, with that particular impa being the orgin of the sheikah's and zelda's guardian. it is because of her zelda disguised as sheik in first place.

but this would only work if they did go for the whole ''sheik is not a secret anymore'' story. then again sheik had a pretty huge player fanbase, and ghirahim is just one amazing motherfucker and could have a orginal moveset. and he's somewhat important to the whole zelda story.

All Hail the new Queen of Smash.

I don't care. Throw Rosalina into as many games as you want, Nintendo. She's got an awesome design and I am totally digging this Rosalina Fever that is happening right now. Really going to be interesting to see how Rosalina fares. Luma is looking like quite the asset for the Space God.

What's the point of replacing a character with another character that plays exactly the same for the sake of recency?

If you're going to bring up the cases of Mewtwo/Lucario and Roy/Ike, then I'll be more than glad to break your knee. With a spoon. Except not really.

(12-18-2013, 04:15 PM)SchAlternate Wrote: What's the point of replacing a character with another character that plays exactly the same for the sake of recency?

If you're going to bring up the cases of Mewtwo/Lucario and Roy/Ike, then I'll be more than glad to break your knee. With a spoon.

then get your spoon ready but expect me to break your nose in return but it's because i think it's nice when they keep franchise and it's characters up to date, like rosalina did today

i didn't mind the mewtwo/lucario switch, mewtwo was pretty much out of the picture around gen 4 when brawl took place, and lucario was the it boy at the time. now mewtwo's back with two mega evolutions and one of them was revealed as the first mega evolution. lucario also got one but mewtwo got two so metwo's back in. if he's in atleast

for fire emblem, it's hard to say. but i think both are gone. it's going to be marth and a new bulky character from awakening that's probably going to play a lot like Ike did.

same reason why i think we won't see lucas returning perhaps. ness is mothers poster boy and the only one that still shows his face now and then ( eb in the e-shop for wii u ) also because nintendo are fucking stupid for not releasing the game world wide

as for zelda, skywards sword's impa revealed to be the orgin of sheik, so she replacing that side of zelda would make sense to me, and i would like to see that. impa's been around since the first game and appeared in many different forms ( old, fat, ninja ) and she's apparently the orginal holder of the triforce of power in the first game. sheik hasn't been in any game recently except a remake of it's only game. but that could just be the reason it's still there. i don't know it's just a thought that came up to me.

(12-18-2013, 04:15 PM)SchAlternate Wrote: What's the point of replacing a character with another character that plays exactly the same for the sake of recency?

If you're going to bring up the cases of Mewtwo/Lucario and Roy/Ike, then I'll be more than glad to break your knee. With a spoon. Except not really.

Regardless of whether there's a point or not, it should be clear that the characters ARE being updated for the sake of recency, or even just for the sake of having something new for the new game. Take Link, updated to Skyward Sword design, and Samus, updated to Other M design (A much bigger leap in my opinion, seeing as Samus remained in her Varia Suit design for every Smash game up to now.

Now where does that leave Zelda? She hasn't had Sheik as an in-game presence in the actual Zelda series since Ocarina of Time, so if they updated her design to Skyward Sword, lets say (Which I'd love, I love her Skyward Sword design), would they make a new Sheik design to go with it, or tack an old design just for the sake of having it, or even just changing Sheik into Impa, but having both remain the same character selection? There's a lot of options that sparks a lot of questions and, in my opinion, is going to be one of the more exciting reveals for me this game.

Here are some of the options I'm thinking are possible given the circumstances:

-Zelda and Sheik with updated designs (Sheik from scratch)
-Older design of Zelda and Sheik
-Zelda and Sheik completely separate, making Zelda updated in design and Sheik a classic character.
-Zelda and Impa instead of Sheik
-Zelda and Impa as completely independent characters

Also for consideration:
-If alternate costumes exist, why not a Sheik costume for Impa if she replaces Sheik?
-The Zelda/Sheik formula being abandoned for regular Zelda, but Toon Zelda coming in keeping the traditional Transformation formula.

I really am interested to see how it pans out. I don't think Zelda would ever be cut, but I really wonder how Sheik works into it all.

PS: Who WOULDN'T want to play as this?

It's funny how people think that Lucario and Ike did replace both Mewtwo and Roy, when in reality both didn't make the cut because SSE pretty much devoured the development time of Brawl and there had to be some sacrifices to be made.

While Lucario and Ike pretty much covered the void left by Mewtwo and Roy, neither truly replace them, as not only they were all meant to coexist with each other, but they don't really have a lot in common anyway (except maybe for Neutral Specials). The only character that truly replaced another was Toon Link, and even then it didn't matter, since Young Link and Toon Link are technically the same character (the smaller, faster Link).

Also, it doesn't make sense for Zelda to turn into Impa because they're both different persons, whereas Zelda and Sheik are. Unless you mean that Impa should have a different slot from Zelda, which I can get around with, as long as Sheik remains as part of Zelda's character.

And by the way, Lucas isn't leaving that easily, remember Mother 3 is very popular in Japan. And even then, lack of recency isn't a reason for a character to leave; if you don't believe me then look at Jigglypuff, whose importance in the games have never (or not always) being that prominent, or Captain Falcon, whose series has being dormant for a decade, or the Ice Climbers, even. Yet they are all beloved and recognized fighters in the Smash series, who will very unlikely be removed from the roster.

(12-18-2013, 05:00 PM)Tom Guicote Wrote: snip

Simple solution: have Sheik's design resemble SS' Impa. Problem solved

I might have ruled out Ice Climbers due to possibility of technical woes down the line with online play perhaps, but after seeing Rosalina and Luma today, I doubt its much of a concern anymore.

Also I didn't quite mean Zelda would TURN into Impa, more of a tag out kind of effect, like with the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon.

(12-18-2013, 05:12 PM)Tom Guicote Wrote: I might have ruled out Ice Climbers due to possibility of technical woes down the line with online play perhaps, but after seeing Rosalina and Luma today, I doubt its much of a concern anymore.

Also I didn't quite mean Zelda would TURN into Impa, more of a tag out kind of effect, like with the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon.

I could see this.
That or a Sheik redesign which is always cool too.

Wonder if any more will be revealed this year.