(08-20-2014, 08:06 PM)Rystar Wrote: Can anyone seriously tell me why they hate the Duck Hunt Dog being a playable character other than "he annoyed me in duck hunt" (because that seems petty anyways)? I honestly thought it was a pretty cool "retro" surprise character (if it turns out to be true), so if anything I'd be a bit disappointed if he isn't actually in the game... well, I wouldn't be if Ridley were in it instead, but that'll forever be a pipe dream, won't it?

I think RTB is just salty that the Ice Climbers aren't apart of that roster

(08-20-2014, 08:07 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: I guess Palutena was a ruse after all, I just pulled this off in photoshop

Original:
My smash fake:

Knew you were gonna post that.

At least in that case, it's based on official artwork. Dr. Mario was based on some fan made edit of this: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110...edArms.png

(08-20-2014, 08:10 PM)Gwen Wrote:

(08-20-2014, 08:06 PM)Rystar Wrote: Can anyone seriously tell me why they hate the Duck Hunt Dog being a playable character other than "he annoyed me in duck hunt" (because that seems petty anyways)? I honestly thought it was a pretty cool "retro" surprise character (if it turns out to be true), so if anything I'd be a bit disappointed if he isn't actually in the game... well, I wouldn't be if Ridley were in it instead, but that'll forever be a pipe dream, won't it?

Because he is literally useless. I love him in Duck Hunt but what the fuck is he doing in Smash? SO many other characters that would be a better fit than him, including many other "Retro" characters.

Because ROB, Ice Climbers, or even Captain Falcon were so useful before. Oh what's ROB going to do, stack some blocks? Lol all Ice Climbers do are jump and swing a hammer. Lol what's Falcon for, he just drives a race car. What the fuck is a Mr Game and Watch? So many better characters could fit here, give me another blue haired swordsman

I mean dude, if he's apart of Nintendo, the dude fits. Besides, he's one of the more popular retro characters

(08-20-2014, 08:10 PM)Gwen Wrote: There are very notable similarities with some of these models to pointed out, and just because you think it's coincidental doesn't really make the argument unconvincing.

I don't think it's coincidential. I just posted Palutena. Palutena is even worse, it's almost 1:1, while these others are pretty different. Seriously, how do you nail Duck Hunt Dog in-style out of scratch? Or Ness, that has no other 3D model like that at all? Sorry for my mocking tone, it's just it gets to me when people decide to be skeptical based on preference and not on evidence

(08-20-2014, 08:10 PM)Gwen Wrote: Because he is literally useless. I love seeing him in Duck Hunt but what the fuck is he doing in Smash? SO many other characters that would be a better fit than him, including many other "Retro" characters.

You could say the same about a lot of characters in Smash. Before judging him as a fighter (if he even is one, of course), I'll wait until I can play as him personally. Or, hell, even just see some footage of him in action. That always gets me pumped

(08-20-2014, 08:04 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: 1. Like you said, not the same leaker, might not even be true
2. Wii Fit Trainer, Game & Watch... R.O.B?
3. Dr. Mario was a rep once, it feels like he would be like Melee Mario, having Mario Tornado back instead of FLUDD
4. I don't think Sakurai ever, ever said that. People used to speculate that about Brawl and look how many clones that game had. Besides, the inclusion of Dark Pit at the end of the Palutena trailer surely backs his inclusion
5. That's because this game has an art direction. I bet you could do the same to Little Mac and Robin. It's not like Playstation All-Star battle where models are ripped from their own games

1. Yeah. And then there's the whole case where several things that were rumored ended up being true for games, like the one person claiming that Sonic was going to have a reboot in 2014, and lo and behold Sonic Boom exists. It's hard to trust leaks when lies can be peppered into truths so easily.
2. At least for Mr. Game & Watch, he's basically the embodiment of his series. R.O.B. had some traits of its original use. Wii Fit Trainer was a clever and unique choice because there's not that many fighting game characters that fight using the power of yoga (Dhalsim's the only other one I can think of). Duck Hunt Dog just jumps around and laughs at you, its entire moveset would have to rely on creative liberties.
3. How many of Dr. Mario's moves were different than Mario's in Melee, anyway? Like significant differences, not just slight rebalances.
4. I stand corrected, it's just dumb fan speculation about Sakurai "not wanting to add too many clones" or whatever. Point still remains that just because the character in question appeared in a trailer doesn't confirm that they're playable.
5. Even PSASBR had new models for the characters, not all of them were from their original games.

(08-20-2014, 08:10 PM)Sportoise Wrote: I think RTB is just salty that the Ice Climbers aren't apart of that roster

Maybe. *sniff* Maybe.

(08-20-2014, 08:14 PM)Sportoise Wrote:

(08-20-2014, 08:10 PM)Gwen Wrote:

(08-20-2014, 08:06 PM)Rystar Wrote: Can anyone seriously tell me why they hate the Duck Hunt Dog being a playable character other than "he annoyed me in duck hunt" (because that seems petty anyways)? I honestly thought it was a pretty cool "retro" surprise character (if it turns out to be true), so if anything I'd be a bit disappointed if he isn't actually in the game... well, I wouldn't be if Ridley were in it instead, but that'll forever be a pipe dream, won't it?

Because he is literally useless. I love him in Duck Hunt but what the fuck is he doing in Smash? SO many other characters that would be a better fit than him, including many other "Retro" characters.

Because ROB, Ice Climbers, or even Captain Falcon were so useful before. Oh what's ROB going to do, stack some blocks? Lol all Ice Climbers do are jump and swing a hammer. Lol what's Falcon for, he just drives a race car. What the fuck is a Mr Game and Watch? So many better characters could fit here, give me another blue haired swordsman

I mean dude, if he's apart of Nintendo, the dude fits. Besides, he's one of the more popular retro characters

Every one of those characters has something to work with. Duck Hunt Dog points and laughs at you when you miss a duck, or picks a duck up for you. Captain Falcon is also a legendary bounty hunter in F-Zero games, even if it's not what the game's about, The Ice Climbers have their hammers, Mr Game and Watch pulls from all the mini games. ROB I got nothing for, but he's a robot, so it's pretty easy to work in some ideas for him. Duck Hunt Dog is just a snarky dog, and nothing more.

(08-20-2014, 08:10 PM)SchAlternate Wrote: Again, some people are more than capable of making fake renders of this caliber these days. Not every Photoshop edit is a blatantly crappy one.

Also, there exist actual fan made renders.

Just look at this:

I'll agree with you that this is very in-style, but that's no 3D render. I also think this probably way too much work to be put in a silly leak and not used as a lever to rise one's own art skills.

But ok, let's say this disproves all those similar characters. I'm still waiting on Ness and Duck Hunt Dog.

---

(08-20-2014, 08:21 PM)Gwen Wrote:

(08-20-2014, 08:14 PM)Sportoise Wrote:

(08-20-2014, 08:10 PM)Gwen Wrote:

(08-20-2014, 08:06 PM)Rystar Wrote: Can anyone seriously tell me why they hate the Duck Hunt Dog being a playable character other than "he annoyed me in duck hunt" (because that seems petty anyways)? I honestly thought it was a pretty cool "retro" surprise character (if it turns out to be true), so if anything I'd be a bit disappointed if he isn't actually in the game... well, I wouldn't be if Ridley were in it instead, but that'll forever be a pipe dream, won't it?

Because he is literally useless. I love him in Duck Hunt but what the fuck is he doing in Smash? SO many other characters that would be a better fit than him, including many other "Retro" characters.

Because ROB, Ice Climbers, or even Captain Falcon were so useful before. Oh what's ROB going to do, stack some blocks? Lol all Ice Climbers do are jump and swing a hammer. Lol what's Falcon for, he just drives a race car. What the fuck is a Mr Game and Watch? So many better characters could fit here, give me another blue haired swordsman

I mean dude, if he's apart of Nintendo, the dude fits. Besides, he's one of the more popular retro characters

Every one of those characters has something to work with. Duck Hunt Dog points and laughs at you when you miss a duck, or picks a duck up for you. Captain Falcon is also a legendary bounty hunter in F-Zero games, even if it's not what the game's about, The Ice Climbers have their hammers, Mr Game and Watch pulls from all the mini games. ROB I got nothing for, but he's a robot, so it's pretty easy to work in some ideas for him. Duck Hunt Dog is just a snarky dog, and nothing more.

...What exactly did Captain Falco have before Smash? Not even Fox had anything going, they're both inside vehicles all the time. It's not that hard to imagine Duck Hunt Dog

(08-20-2014, 08:19 PM)Random Talking Bush Wrote:

(08-20-2014, 08:04 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: 4. I stand corrected, it's just dumb fan speculation. Point still remains that just because the character in question appeared in a trailer doesn't confirm that they're playable.

[quote='Sportoise' pid='563374' dateline='1408583448']I think RTB is just salty that the Ice Climbers aren't apart of that roster

Maybe. *sniff* Maybe.

GUYS, CHROM IS PLAYABLE, I REPEAT CHROM IS PLAYABLE.
Also Captain Falcon and Fox still have plenty to work with. Fox may be inside his ship the entire time, but he's a well known fighter pilot, and fighter pilots still receive military training doi. Also like I said Captain Falcon is regarded as a legendary bounty hunter in later games, and even then, racers are usually quick to fight, watch any racing, them boys get pissed quick.

(08-20-2014, 08:19 PM)Random Talking Bush Wrote: Duck Hunt Dog just jumps around and laughs at you, its entire moveset would have to rely on creative liberties.

Well to be fair, that's happened before *cough* Cpt. Falcon *cough*

See post above.

(08-20-2014, 08:23 PM)Sportoise Wrote:

(08-20-2014, 08:19 PM)Random Talking Bush Wrote: Duck Hunt Dog just jumps around and laughs at you, its entire moveset would have to rely on creative liberties.

Well to be fair, that's happened before *cough* Cpt. Falcon *cough*

That is true. But I still stand by my earlier statement, not gonna trust any more leaks until the next character is shown off. If it's the same render as in the leak, I'll find a hat and eat it. The whole thing. With a fork.

(08-20-2014, 08:23 PM)Gwen Wrote:

(08-20-2014, 08:19 PM)Random Talking Bush Wrote:

(08-20-2014, 08:04 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: 4. I stand corrected, it's just dumb fan speculation. Point still remains that just because the character in question appeared in a trailer doesn't confirm that they're playable.

[quote='Sportoise' pid='563374' dateline='1408583448']I think RTB is just salty that the Ice Climbers aren't apart of that roster

Maybe. *sniff* Maybe.

GUYS, CHROM IS PLAYABLE, I REPEAT CHROM IS PLAYABLE.
Also Captain Falcon and Fox still have plenty to work with. Fox may be inside his ship the entire time, but he's a well known fighter pilot, and fighter pilots still receive military training doi. Also like I said Captain Falcon is regarded as a legendary bounty hunter in later games, and even then, racers are usually quick to fight, watch any racing, them boys get pissed quick.

Yes so the most logical step is to give him a fire punch and kick instead of using the pistol he still carries in his model?

If Falcon and Fox are doable, so is Duck Hunt Dog.

(08-20-2014, 08:21 PM)Gwen Wrote: Duck Hunt Dog is just a snarky dog, and nothing more.

Because you there's literally nothing you can do with that. Nope, nothing at all. He couldn't use the ducks or anything. Couldn't use the zapper. He couldn't fight like an actual dog. Nope. Couldn't even use snarkiness for an attack. Nope. No chance for a move set here.

(08-20-2014, 08:25 PM)Gwen Wrote: See post above.

Not everyone's phone updates in real time when they're posting

Um.. I'm just letting you know I addressed that above you is all..
Also I honestly can't see them doing anything with Duck Hunt Dog other than adding a ton of new things to him. The ducks would be a final smash if anything, probably harassing other players similar to Pit's final smash from brawl. Oh cool and he's a dog so he can bite and maybe claw at people, that's fucking insanely cool, he totally looks like a character that would do that sort of stuff too(not). That "leak" of him makes him look like my dog that just naps in the sun all day and does jack shit.