Pretty big words for someone who hasn't even played the game at all.

Everyone is saying the characters all feel very different and that this is not Brawl at all

But of course you'll want to hear your made up impressions better and keep blaming Sakurai for your favorite character not making it

So this is the Bowser Jr Kirby

(09-11-2014, 06:34 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: Pretty big words for someone who hasn't even played the game at all.

Everyone is saying the characters all feel very different and that this is not Brawl at all

But of course you'll want to hear your made up impressions better and keep blaming Sakurai for your favorite character not making it

My favorite character is Yoshi.

Honestly, I didn't decry the game at all. I said I don't like when characters are cut, you wanted to make it a federal case. I'm still going to get and enjoy the game, and upthread I even said that I still believe characters will be added to the game in the future.

Changing physics does not require completely rebuilding the game, btw. Brawl modding has shown us that.

But I guess it doesn't matter because anybody who says anything that disagrees with you is just pissy because their favorite obscure character didn't make it? You want to talk about head-canon, really now.

If you're in denial about the roster size, don't worry. There's still hope.

Just a note, this post was made before we found out that the ESRB leak was the final roster. I could see something like this happening.

It's just I literally can't believe you're making an argument that rebuilding the entire game is a bad thing

like, seriously.

It's not about changing physics, it's about making the game feel fresh again. Smash comes around every 7 or so years, it's not yearly like other fighting games. They could have done that and have more characters, but they decided against it and that's a very good thing. I would probably excuse their lazyness, but I can also say that's a pretty great ammount of effort in the game. Saying that this is "bad time management" seems really backwards-thinking. "Oh they could just rehash so we would have more characters" *cue the same guy complaining that CoD is the same every year with new maps*

And Kriven, I'm sorry but it's impossible to not judge your expectations when you have, well, a signature like that.

(09-11-2014, 06:45 PM)Sportoise Wrote: If you're in denial about the roster size, don't worry. There's still hope.

Apparently Spainkiller is really reliable, but there's something weird going on. I'm not believing this, but I'm curious at what may be up.

My "This Would Be Neat" signature of newcomers that has nothing to do with the cut veterans which I was talking about?

Because I didn't say: "Ridley not being in the game rubs me the wrong way."

I said: "Content being removed between installments in a franchise rubs me the wrong way."

Literally you just judged me, and colored my opinions, by the internet equivalent of jewelry. You dismissed my opinions because I have the digital equivalent of a tongue piercing or a tattoo. Good job.

I didn't say rebuilding the game from scratch is a bad thing. I said rebuilding it and getting a result that is almost the same as what already existed is wasteful when what already existed could be tweaked to get the same result, and then you have more resources to make more new things with.

From SSB64 to Melee to Brawl, those were all very different games. I can see and understand if those were rebuilt from the ground up.

Everybody, everybody everywhere, is saying that Ike (just as an example) plays EXACTLY THE SAME but with different physics. If they rebuilt Ike to get that result, they wasted resources.

Ike, the guy who has a completely different character model, alright then. It's not about playing the same it's feeling the same. How can you compare that the change isn't the same as Melee and Brawl when you don't have the game and every report everywhere is saying that this game is definitely not Brawl. It looks very very different. Seriously you should watch some new gameplay and look at Brawl and you'll see it doesn't even look to have the same feel. Just look at freakin Mr. Game & Watch. All you're doing is assuming and assuming a lot.

I won't even fully address the tattoo comment because what the fuck.

EDIT: Ahahahaha I see you gave me a neg rep again because I disagree with the points you come up. Maturity!

Game is looking fab, and they did wonders to the Mother series in terms of representation this time.

Shame there's no Rambi AT but I'll take what I get.

(09-11-2014, 07:05 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: EDIT: Ahahahaha I see you gave me a neg rep again because I disagree with the points you come up. Maturity!

Muts, I'm not going to dig in anymore than this, but just leave stuff like this out of threads, it makes you look like the immature one, like you have to proclaim his negative rep and call him out on it. He's neg repping you for reasons he finds justifiable, and if you really find the need to say anything, just PM him.

EDIT: Personally though, even though I don't really like the Ice Climbers, it is kind of weird knowing they're not going to be in. My friend was ridiculously good with them and pissed me off sometimes ehehehheh. It's like a spur digging into the side that they're out and Dark Pit is his own character slot in all honesty. Like Kriven said though, I will buy and enjoy the fuck out of this game because over all, I'm excited for 99% of the new characters, and the additional game modes look cool.

(09-11-2014, 07:10 PM)Gwen Wrote:

(09-11-2014, 07:05 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: EDIT: Ahahahaha I see you gave me a neg rep again because I disagree with the points you come up. Maturity!

Muts, I'm not going to dig in anymore than this, but just leave stuff like this out of threads, it makes you look like the immature one, like you have to proclaim his negative rep and call him out on it. He's neg repping you for reasons he finds justifiable, and if you really find the need to say anything, just PM him.

Really now? I don't care about reputation, but I'll call out anyone who can't take counter-arguments in such a childish way. Like neg repping because of a discussion like this is really bad, even more when he did the same before. It seems like a way to get angry and call other people things without actually saying them upfront for everyone to see.

I've been negative repped for how I used to carry out discussion, just some food for thought. Maybe take into consideration how you word posts, usually if you earnestly look you'll find something you were saying that comes across the wrong way with people. It's not "childish", instead of derailing the thread and making this about how you post, he took another, perfectly valid route that you would notice.

(09-11-2014, 07:05 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: Ike, the guy who has a completely different character model, alright then. It's not about playing the same it's feeling the same. How can you compare that the change isn't the same as Melee and Brawl when you don't have the game and every report everywhere is saying that this game is definitely not Brawl. It looks very very different. Seriously you should watch some new gameplay and look at Brawl and you'll see it doesn't even look to have the same feel. Just look at freakin Mr. Game & Watch. All you're doing is assuming and assuming a lot.

I won't even fully address the tattoo comment because what the fuck.

EDIT: Ahahahaha I see you gave me a neg rep again because I disagree with the points you come up. Maturity!

Rebuilding models isn't the same as rebuilding the game. I agree with you that animations and visuals are all redone, and are (mostly) superior, and quite stunning.

But models are really only a small part of what goes into building a character. When you talk about restructuring a character from the ground up, you're talking about sitting infront of a blank document and writing out millions of lines of code to do things that have already been done with the same programming language, by you, seven years ago.

And while it doesn't look to play exactly like Brawl (and remember, gameplay is the time consuming, money consuming portion of actually making a game) it does play like something that could have been built off of what already existed. Again, based on what I have watched and what has been said.

Edit: ahaha, that neg rep is from a couple years of watching how you participate on the forum and how you argue with people. You're genuinely an asshole. I mean, you can't find anything more to support your argument other than saying: "You're wrong, you're just mad because your favorite character didn't get in, and look at that signature!"

I mean, you really don't trust your argument to stand without personal attacks and bias? Well, I guess you shouldn't.

You can re-read it if you want, you'll see I wasn't doing anything more than just saying what I think of it all. But I really can't handle bold claims like "oh look x thing is incompetent because [assumption]". I can't really say I'm sorry either for thinking that his roster "wants" had any part in these assumptions. Games aren't made on infinite time and infinite budget. He has the right to express his opinion of rubbing him the wrong way, as much as I have a right to comment on his opinion as well, because this is a forum and a public space

(09-11-2014, 07:22 PM)Kriven Wrote:

(09-11-2014, 07:05 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: Ike, the guy who has a completely different character model, alright then. It's not about playing the same it's feeling the same. How can you compare that the change isn't the same as Melee and Brawl when you don't have the game and every report everywhere is saying that this game is definitely not Brawl. It looks very very different. Seriously you should watch some new gameplay and look at Brawl and you'll see it doesn't even look to have the same feel. Just look at freakin Mr. Game & Watch. All you're doing is assuming and assuming a lot.

I won't even fully address the tattoo comment because what the fuck.

EDIT: Ahahahaha I see you gave me a neg rep again because I disagree with the points you come up. Maturity!

Rebuilding models isn't the same as rebuilding the game. I agree with you that animations and visuals are all redone, and are (mostly) superior, and quite stunning.

But models are really only a small part of what goes into building a character. When you talk about restructuring a character from the ground up, you're talking about sitting infront of a blank document and writing out millions of lines of code to do things that have already been done with the same programming language, by you, seven years ago.

And while it doesn't look to play exactly like Brawl (and remember, gameplay is the time consuming, money consuming portion of actually making a game) it does play like something that could have been built off of what already existed. Again, based on what I have watched and what has been said.

Edit: ahaha, that neg rep is from a couple years of watching how you participate on the forum and how you argue with people. You're genuinely an asshole. I mean, you can't find anything more to support your argument other than saying: "You're wrong, you're just mad because your favorite character didn't get in, and look at that signature!"

I mean, you really don't trust your argument to stand without personal attacks and bias? Well, I guess you shouldn't.

I'd be honestly way more eager to discuss these stuff if you didn't make up arguments to shut it off early. You were saying "well I don't like cut characters" to which I honestly responded that time and money are limited on a game creation process and then said how they made every character from scratch and that takes up time. I can't be bothered to take it seriously when your next response is "ah but that was still bad time management!!!". That's not an argument, that's just a non-response. Then you go on saying that the game could have been Brawl with different physics. Really? The game is entirely redone and rebalanced, just the demo showed a bunch of stuff Mario was never able to pull of in any game before, yet you still hit that "but it's Brawl" note very hard for whatever reason.

Your signature is a pet peeve of mine and maybe I shouldn't have brought it up, but honestly that post combined with it is what made it for me.

surprise,

Spainkiller is actually one of my best friends, he got part of that information from me. and i've got it from someone most of you probably all well know and respect. he asked the localization guy if my information is true, it is.

PM me if you don't think i'm full of shit cause i will happily tell you what's probably going down later this year on Wii U

I think the biggest problem came front he fact Sakurai decided to make two games instead of one. I feel that would have given him more time and less restrictions. If it was just a game on the Wii U we'd have a better roster.