Buu turns good.

Doesn't he turn into a skinny African American kid by then, though?

And there's that trope that exists on top of that. Where shows with protag gangs always have a fat character for group diversity. You got the generic leader type, the fat type, the nerd, and then some other archetypes that usually exist in these.

(04-01-2016, 12:41 PM)Benny The Miraj Wrote: Doesn't he turn into a skinny African American kid by then, though?

I haven't seen basically anything of GT so I'm not sure if that's permanent or if they both coexist or what. Or if it even still "counts" with the new SSJKai movies.

Either way, the whole Uub thing wasn't Toriyama's decision.

Uub isn't canon anymore. Dragon Ball Super (still ongoing) retconned everything from the end of the Buu Saga to the entirety of GT.

Ehh... Uub is canon. The last scene was a flash forward to Goku, Pan as a kid and Uub join the World Martial Arts Tournament. Before Super chronologically, Goku wishes (just randomly, not to a dragon) Kid Buu to be reincarnated as a good guy, so he can have a proper rematch instead of relying on the power of others. Good Buu was already separated (which is why Super Buu reverted to Kid Buu/Pure Buu), so he's not the one that became Uub. King Yenma heard and granted Goku's wish as a reward for saving the universe.

In GT's Baby Saga, Uub absorbed Good Buu to become Majuub/Super Uub. That part is not canon.

Also, in Super at one point when scouting for fighters for the tournament, Goku mentions Kid Buu's reincarnation, to which Vegeta replied that the kid is probably just a baby and way too young to fight.

I don't have any particular favorites, but I think the characters from Rivals of Aether are pretty charming. Dang well animated too. As much as you see it around here, it's a shame that fighting games rarely get pixel art this good nowadays.

The events of Super technically occur before the events of GT if both are to be considered in one timeline. Uub is canon in the regard that the idea of him was setup in DBZ in the same way that Pan is canon. While he hasn't really been represented outside of GT, in that series, it was shown that he is a reincarnation of the purest form of Buu, "Kid Buu". He exists at the same time as Fat Buu. Fat Buu has also existed at the same time as grey buu and kid buu. They come from the same entity, but they're different embodiments of emotion and separate characters.

(04-01-2016, 12:42 PM)Koh Wrote: And there's that trope that exists on top of that.  Where shows with protag gangs always have a fat character for group diversity.  You got the generic leader type, the fat type, the nerd, and then some other archetypes that usually exist in these.

I hate how a lot of goodguy tubbies are just the kind who eat and fart a lot. Not all of them, but you know. I also notice a lot of fat villains tend to be a bit on the narcissistic side, in which they think they are way more powerful than they are. I guess that might be Akira's idea is that he just thinks they make good villains.

I totally forgot about Pango the pangolin (ya did gud thar) from Klonoa. I think he only appears in one or two of the Japanese games, but he has a cute, round, chubby look to him. He seems to be yet another trope I see in the big guys is that they're big, fun-loving buddy types, though I haven't played any of the games with Pango in them, so I don't know for sure.

I dunno about you all, but I think this guy makes a great candidate for the Plump but Strong Character award.

He kinda gives me a Terry Bogard vibe. Might be because of his spiky blond hair and red cap. But while maybe he isn't *huge*, he's still pretty big and round. I'm not clear on his background (as if he really ever needed any, being in only one game as a selectable fighter who doesn't really play any part in the story), but I wouldn't say he's the typical trope-ish kind of fat guy you all are talking about. I wouldn't imagine him being like Big the Cat if they ever made anymore development on him, that's for sure.

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I've noticed a more obscure trend of large female characters being more timid types. You can tell by the facial and body expression of these girls...But it could be just because they're wearing those outfits, lmao.

These are the main protagonists of Muchi Muchi Pork!, a bullet hell from (who else but) Cave Co. Ltd. (While I'm also mentioning them to stay on the thread topic. I think their pig ears are super adorable, by the way.) I notice that they're bodies are slightly more plump than typical bodies seen on females in anime/games/etc. from Japan (excluding Rafute, the one on the right, who has a more slimmer bodytype).

I think it's interesting that the character designers strayed away from more typical bodytypes used in other games like Ibara/Pink Sweets.

I think a good example of pudgy and cute would be some of the mascot characters for Nitroplus.
With Super Sonico, it varies between each official artist. But she is curvy in the anime though.

This is Super Pochaco from the same franchise, she's one example of what I'm talking about. Sadly, this is one of the few official art I could find.
Which is annoying because fan artists over-exaggerate her physique when they draw her. (Blame them for being gross chubby chasers )

As for Big the Cat, I can't be the only one who likes the character. He's given a better personality in the Archie comic than the video games.
I even do the same in my random drawings. Big gets another plus from me due to who his former and current voice actors are.

Ya know what bugs me?

These guys.

The original Lizardman in Soul Calibur was a spartan dude named Aeon Calcos. Apart from that, they have basically no backstory.
Its literally just "there is a cult and they have these guys somehow. They don't really fight all that well since you have to fight 3+ at a time, and they eat people."

Aeon in particular goes through this whole "Beast I have become" deal until Soul V where everything that had ever happened up to that point was invalidated, and he suddenly started transforming into things he ate and gained reason again for no well explained reason.

(04-02-2016, 01:02 AM)JazzGW Wrote: I've noticed a more obscure trend of large female characters being more timid types. You can tell by the facial and body expression of these girls...But it could be just because they're wearing those outfits, lmao.

These are the main protagonists of Muchi Muchi Pork!, a bullet hell from (who else but) Cave Co. Ltd. (While I'm also mentioning them to stay on the thread topic. I think their pig ears are super adorable, by the way.) I notice that they're bodies are slightly more plump than typical bodies seen on females in anime/games/etc. from Japan (excluding Rafute, the one on the right, who has a more slimmer bodytype).

That could be because of the story of that game is that they have been turned into pig-girls. A game which had "Do you like fat chicks?" in it's advertisement. I'm not saying they aren't cute, I'm just saying this isn't Japan making some kind of moral "you don't have to be skinny" move, more of a "haha look how funny it is they are like pigs!"

So I noticed in video games the amount of cartoony anthros have declined and I believe its because no one takes those kinds of characters "seriously" anymore. Like such a character can't be the star of a deep story, only someone who looks like Cloud Strife or Master Chief can be taken that way.

Such an idea obviously annoyed me and inspired me to make my own cartoony anthro and put him in a world that already has a "chosen hero" who looks like Link or a FF protagonist. I wanted to contrast these two types of characters we see in video games using the theme of peoples-expectations vs self-determination.

I bring this up because another topic started talking about cartoony anthros being used in a more serious role.

I agree, which probably explains why Solatorobo didn't do all that well despite having very in-depth character designs and plot.

(That and the whole...Furry scare )