Is Nintendo reaching a turning point?

[Alpha Six]

Ninja Gaiden has that, but to a much, much smaller extent.

[GaryCXJk]

Oh hell I would love some news, but I'm not excited at all and have no hope of seeing any because the chances of any news coming is as likely as Uncharted 3 starring a robotic penguin.

Well, I did hear rumors of that last night, but it got debunked this morning when my face met the floor.

[Nystre]

Even a game like Team Fortress 2 is in essence casual.

terrible example right here, you're not proving anything as TF2 is the most casual FPS I've ever played.

[GaryCXJk]

... True.

Then how about...

Er...

Psychonaut? Brütal Legend? Peggle?

There really aren't any "hardcore" games out there. Well, perhaps RPGs derived from table top RPGs, but people see those who play the games as nerds.

[PrettyNier]

Gary: Shin Megami Tensei.

[Nystre]

Psychonauts is an acceptable example sorta

gameplay-wise it's fairly basic but the scenario and all are what makes it stand out

"hardcore" generally refers to niche stuff with metagaming and all that (complex gameplay styles etc)

So yeah a lot of games could be considered casual, but casual doesn't necessarily mean some aren't unique/genuinely good games

[GaryCXJk]

Yes, but it is also never mutually exclusive. I mean, look at Peggle. It's casual to the core, casual to the bone, and yet everybody seems to like the game. Hell, even I was hooked on Peggle for a long time. I quit because it consumed my life, and all my progress got erased.

[Cobalt Blue]

Dodonpachi. both casual and hardcore at the same time.

like most Danmakus out there.