New stages

[tsr moderation staff]

hey rags, why on earth does that matter. we aren't nintendo. i've already said that i think we should go for gameplay over representation and i still think so. banjo was on a number of nintendo consoles, is a well recognized and well loved character, and would be a ton of fun to play as. i can see no good reason not to put him in

[Alpha Six]

The way I see it, if we let Banjo in, that breaks the character wall, which means people will start suggesting characters that have literally no place in Brawl, and we REALLY don't need more suggestions as it is right now.

[Koopaul]

Indeed next thing you know people will want Master Chief in the game.

[tsr moderation staff]

yeah, i know. if only we lived in a world where the internet wasn't retarded. either way, the majority of my point still stands

[Koopaul]

Ahem I think thi should be the amount of stages per franchise behold:

4 Mario
2 Donkey Kong
3 Zelda
2 Metroid
1 Yoshi
2 Kirby
3 Pokemon
2 Star Fox
2 Mother
1 F-Zero
1 Ice Climber
1 Fire Emblem
1 Wario
1 Kid Icarus
1 Pikmin
1 Game & Watch
1 Robot
1 Golden Sun
1 Animal Crossing
1 Starfy
1 Punch-Out
1 Sin & Punishment
1 Custom Robo
1 Metal Gear
1 Sonic
1 Mega Man
1 Namco
1 Final Fantasy
1 Bomber Man

[JoseFran]

Ahem I think thi should be the amount of stages per franchise behold:

4 Mario
2 Donkey Kong
3 Zelda
2 Metroid
1 Yoshi
2 Kirby
3 Pokemon
2 Star Fox
2 Mother
1 F-Zero
1 Ice Climber
1 Fire Emblem
1 Wario
1 Kid Icarus
1 Pikmin
1 Game & Watch
1 Robot
1 Golden Sun
1 Animal Crossing
1 Starfy
1 Punch-Out
1 Sin & Punishment
1 Custom Robo
1 Metal Gear
1 Sonic
1 Mega Man
1 Namco
1 Final Fantasy
1 Bomber Man

In my opinion, Yoshi needs to have two stages (One per Yoshi's Story and other per Yoshi's Island. And maybe separate Mario Kart from Mario Bros. xD

Edit: In the previous page you were talking about do a pending/confirmed stage list. I can do it now, Do I do the list?

[Shadowth117]

Ahem I think thi should be the amount of stages per franchise behold:

4 Mario
2 Donkey Kong
3 Zelda
2 Metroid
1 Yoshi
2 Kirby
3 Pokemon
2 Star Fox
2 Mother
1 F-Zero
1 Ice Climber
1 Fire Emblem
1 Wario
1 Kid Icarus
1 Pikmin
1 Game & Watch
1 Robot
1 Golden Sun
1 Animal Crossing
1 Starfy
1 Punch-Out
1 Sin & Punishment
1 Custom Robo
1 Metal Gear
1 Sonic
1 Mega Man
1 Namco
1 Final Fantasy
1 Bomber Man

Wait a sec. So its okay to have a stage from Final Fantasy, BomberMan and Megaman, but a Banjo Kazooie stage isn't allowed? Well heck now you might as well just throw in Sephiroth. I mean sure you gave a reason before, but now you're just contradicting it. :p

[Kitsu]

They didn't want Banjo in not because Rare's third party, but rather because Rare's actually first party to Microsoft.

[Shadowth117]

They didn't want Banjo in not because Rare's third party, but rather because Rare's actually first party to Microsoft.

Well obviously it wasn't at the time that most of the Banjo games were made. I'd understand it if there'd only ever been one Banjo game on a Nintendo console, but he's got like five games on them. I just don't understand why its such a big deal, but whatever. I'm done trying to argue for a perfectly valid idea. Lets just move on from this stupid argument.

[JoseFran]

Well, This is the actual list of stages suggestions:

MARIO BROS.
- Super Mario Bros. ~ Bowser's Castle
- Super Mario Bros. 2 ~ Wart's Throne Room
- Super Mario Bros. 3 ~ Grass Land
- Super Mario Bros. 3 ~ Airship Level
- Super Mario 64 ~ Tic Toc Clock
- Super Mario 64 ~ Koopa's Road
- Super Mario Galaxy ~ Comet Observatory
- Super Mario Galaxy ~ Princess Peach's Castle (Star Festival)
- Super Mario Galaxy ~ Bowser Jr's robot reactor
- Super Mario Galaxy ~ Fleezeflame Galaxy
- Luigi's Mansion ~ New area of Luigi's Mansion
- Luigi's Mansion ~ Rooftop
- Super Mario World ~ Ghost House
- Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door ~ Rougeport
- Bowser Inside Story ~ Bowser's Throne Room
- Mario Party ~ Mario Party
- Mario Clash ~ Mario Clash
- Super Mario RPG ~ Super Mario RPG

MARIO KART
- Mario Kart Wii ~ Coconut Mall

DONKEY KONG
- Donkey Kong country ~ DK's Tree House
- Donkey Kong Country ~ Gangplank Galleon
- Mario VS Donkey Kong DS ~ Mini Mario Stage

THE LEGEND OF ZELDA
- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time ~ Desert Collosus
- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time ~ Ganon's Castle
- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time ~ Death Mountain Trail
- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time ~ Death Mountain Crater
- The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess ~ Hyrule Castle
- The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess ~ Gerudo Desert
- The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess ~ Lake Hylia
- The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess ~ Twilight Realm
- The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker ~ Hyrule Castle

METROID
- Metroid ~ Mother Brain's Chamber
- Metroid ~ Phaaze
- Super Metroid ~ Planet Zebes / Unknown Area

STARFOX
- StarFox 64 ~ Katina
- StarFox Adventures ~ Dinosaur Planet
- StarFox Assault ~ Apariod Homeworld

KIRBY
- Kirby ~ Gourmet Race
- Kirby's Dream Land ~ Mt. Dedede
- Kirby and the Amazing Mirror ~ Mirror Maze Hub
- Kirby 64 ~ Dark Star
- Kirby 64 ~ Techno Pyramid

POKÉMON
- Pokémon Red & Blue ~ Viridian Forest
- Pokémon Red & Blue ~ Cinnabar Island
- Pokémon Red & Blue ~ Rocket Hideout
- Pokémon Shappire & Ruby ~ Groudon & Kyogre Battle
- Pokémon Pearl & Diamond ~ Hall of Origin
- Pokémon Pearl & Diamond ~ Snow Point Temple
- Pokémon Platinum ~ Distortion World
- Pokémon HeartGold & SoulSilver ~ Legendary Shrine (Tin Tower & Whirl Island)
- Pokémon ~ Poké Floats
- Pokémon ~ Victory Road

YOSHI'S ISLAND / STORY

MOTHER / EARTHBOUND
- Mother 1 ~ Magicant
- Mother 1 ~ Youngtown
- Mother 1 ~ Mt. Itoi
- Mother 1 ~ Cave of the Past
- Mother 2 ~ Saturn Village
- Mother 2 ~ Lost Underground
- Mother 3 ~ Tazmilly Village
- Mother 3 ~ Oshoe Castle

F-ZERO

FIRE EMBLEM

ICE CLIMBER

GAME & WATCH

WARIO LAND / WARE
- Wario Land 4 ~ The Big Board
- Wario's Woods ~ Wario's Woods

KID ICARUS
- Kid Icarus ~ The Underworld
- Kid Icarus ~ Classic Kid Icarus

PIKMIN

ANIMAL CROSSING
- Animal Crossing: City Folk ~ Smash City

R.O.B
- Gyromite ~ Stack & Gyro

PUNCH-OUT!

THE LEGEND OF STAFY

GOLDEN SUN

SIN & PUNISHMENT
- Sin & Punishment ~ Shinjuku Rooftop

CUSTOM ROBO

METAL GEAR
- Metal Gear Solid 2 ~ the Tanker
- Metal Gear Solid 2 ~ the Plant

SONIC THE HEDGEHOG
Sonic 2 ~ Casino Night Zone
Sonic 2 ~ Emerald Hill Zone
Sonic 2 ~ Chemical Plant Zone
Sonic 3 ~ Angel Island
Sonic 3 ~ Hydrocity Zone
Sonic Adventure ~ Perfect Chaos
Sonic Adventure ~ Emerald Coas
Sonic Adventure 2 ~ Space Colony ARK

MEGAMAN
- Megaman 9 ~ Wily's Skull Castle
- Megaman 9 ~ Endless Maze

BOMBERMAN
- Bomberman ~ Field of Glory

FINAL FANTASY

NAMCO

OTHER GAMES
- Advance Wars ~ Advance Wars
- Balloon Fight ~ Balloon Fight
- Banjo Kazooie ~ Clanker's Cavern
- Clu Clu Land ~ Eggerland (?)
- Drill Dozer ~ Red Dozer's Training Course
- Doshin the giant ~ Doshin the giant
- Duck Hunt ~ Duck Hunt
- Excite Bike ~ Excite Bike
- Kubos ~ Precipice / Nalaku
- World Stage
- Nazo no Murasamejou ~ Nazo no Murasamejou
- Pyoro ~ Pyoro
- Tetris ~ Tetris
- Wii Sport Resort ~ Wuhu Island (?)
- ¿¿?? ~ Edward Mansion Court Yard

[Koopaul]

Woah good one!

Now we need a way to decide how to narrow them down.

[JoseFran]

Woah good one!

Now we need a way to decide how to narrow them down.

Yes, but in my opinion, we need to wait some days for get minimun 5 ideas for stages per each saga... Because there are some franchises that have any stages (For example Fire Emblem, F-Zero or Ice Climber) or others that have one or two (Mario Kart or DK)

I promise that I'll actualice the list every day with all new ideas ^^

About Mario Stages... In 64 and Melee we have the stage of Mario 64 (Princess Peach's Castle) and in Brawl we have the stage of Mario Sunshine (Delfino Plaza). The next will be the stage from Mario Galaxy (Comet Observatory). Or maybe we can use a remake of Princess Peach's Castle in the Star Festival night. ^^

[Jdaster64]

In my opinion, the following are all viable choices (with the possible exception of Freezeflame and Wart's throne room):

- Super Mario Bros. 2 ~ Wart's Throne Room
- Super Mario Bros. 3 ~ Grass Land
- Super Mario Bros. 3 ~ Airship Level
- Super Mario Galaxy ~ Comet Observatory
- Super Mario Galaxy ~ Freezeflame Galaxy
- Luigi's Mansion ~ Rooftop
- Mario Party ~ Mario Party
- Mario Kart Wii ~ Coconut Mall
- Donkey Kong country ~ DK's Tree House
- Donkey Kong Country ~ Gangplank Galleon
- Mario VS Donkey Kong DS ~ Mini Mario Stage

I'd have to say SMB3 Grass Land, Airship, Comet Observatory, Luigi's Mansion Rooftop, Mario Party and/or Coconut Mall, Gangplany Galleon, and the Mini Mario stage would be my choices. Or perhaps in place of the Comet Observatory, there could be a stage designed similarly to Delfino Plaza that transports the fighters to different galaxies. I think one more classic Mario stage could potentially added as well, but 5 or 6 (not including the DK stages) is probably enough.

[Kairos]

They didn't want Banjo in not because Rare's third party, but rather because Rare's actually first party to Microsoft.

Well obviously it wasn't at the time that most of the Banjo games were made. I'd understand it if there'd only ever been one Banjo game on a Nintendo console, but he's got like five games on them. I just don't understand why its such a big deal, but whatever. I'm done trying to argue for a perfectly valid idea. Lets just move on from this stupid argument.

The very same reason Banjo and Conker (I think Conker idk) was removed from Diddy Kong Racing DS. And the reason Tyvon posted.

[JoseFran]

I have one idea. If Tonberry is agree with it we can do a post with all Mario's Stages suggestions (Info and concept) and a date for post more ideas. Then of the date, we can decide that stages we can include in. (With a poll or talking)

I think that it is better because while in one post we are choose the stages from Mario Universe, in the other one we are talking about the others franchises. Besides (I don't know how explain this...) we don't mixe the topics (?)