Player Pitch Pit (Discussion Complete)

[GaryCXJk]

Rayman, of course! I mean, how could you not know him? He's the most famous gaming character of Ubisoft, even more known than Rayman or Sam.

[Koopaul]

Sorry Ton but it wouldn't be fair. Consider the hypothetical credits for the game when we right down at the end "Sonic is Copyright SEGA" Then it says "Black Mage and Geno are Copyright SquareEnix"

Wait what? Square has two characters?

People are not going to like the fact that we are using two Square reps while everyone else gets one. I don't care what you you believe Ton, its a FACT. Something is not first party just because you say it is.

I don't mind Geno being in there but you need to categorize him right.

[Alpha Six]

You know

It really isn't that big a deal.


Like, it REALLY isn't.


Who watches the credits anyway? You're usually too busy shooting targets and trophies.

[Koopaul]

I'm just saying it isn't fair. Square can't get two reps because Ton doesn't consider Geno a Square character.

[Teeks]

Stop whining. We're not Nintendo.


Besides, Geno is more Nintendo's than Black Mage is.

I still support Chocobo over him though >>

[Koopaul]

We're not Nintendo, but we're still following their example. I don't mind Geno. I like him. I'm just saying we shouldn't put another Square rep in.

We all agreed one rep per third party and I hope to see it that way.

[Angelglory]

I dunno where else to post this, but since apparently we're using Waluigi over Syrup I fished up an old moveset and spruced it up a little....

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Waluigi
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B: Drop Rocket: Waluigi jumps into the air and then thrusts his legs down and stomps on the ground. If used in the air, the attack spikes enemies and sends Waluigi higher into the air.
Forward B: Wall-uigi: Waluigi charges then starts running forward for a bit as a wall of purple vines appears behind him. You can change directions you're running or even jump to create a destructible shield or wall.
Up B: Swimming Return: Waluigi sticks his fingers in his ears then starts to swim in midair, better for horizontal recovery.
Down B: Whirluigi: Waluigi strikes a pose that resembles his symbol then starts to spin in place, those who get hit are spun in the opposite direction they were facing.

Final Smash: Thorny Waluigi: Waluigi glows and his racket turns into a thorny whip. He becomes invincible for a short time and his moveset changes to a simple A and B. A makes Waluigi whip the ground in front of him quickly while B is a more powerful overhead swing of the whip. B acts as a tether recovery in the event you need to get back onto the stage.

Neutral Attack: Racket smack, "sparta kick"
Dash Attack: Waluigi dives forward, similar to his diving reach in Power Tennis

Forward Tilt: Waluigi leans forward and stomps on the ground.
Up Tilt: Waluigi jabs upwards with his tennis racket.
Down Tilt: Waluigi crounches down and slides forward like he's trying to slide onto a baseball base

Forward Smash: Waluigi delivers a hard smack with his tennis racket
Up Smash: Waluigi throws a Bob-omb in a high-arc. (Closer to Snake's UpSmash in terms of strength rather than actual Bob-omb)
Down Smash: Waluigi stomps on the ground in front of him multiple times.

Neutral Air: Waluigi swats the air with his racket
Forward Air: Kick similar to his kicking the soccer ball in midair in Strikers
Back Air: Waluigi strikes a pose like he is lounging leisurely (Think Dedede's crouch animation)
Up Air: Waluigi strikes a pose that resembles his symbol
Down Air: Waluigi kicks downwards multiple times

Ledge Attack >100%: Waluigi swims onto the stage
Ledge Attack <100%: Waluigi swats the ground in front of the ledge with his racket before climbing up

Grab Attack: A simple knee to the gut
Forward Throw: Waluigi reels back and tosses the enemy like a baseball
Back Throw: Waluigi puts his foot on the foe's stomach then boots them away
Up Throw: Waluigi throws his enemy up into the air then smashes them like a tennis ball
Down Throw: Waluigi drops the foe on the ground and kicks them in the stomach like a soccer ball

Up Taunt: Point Scored from Power Tennis
Side Taunt: Tosses a Liar Ball from Superstar Baseball up and down in his free hand as he laughs mockingly
Down Taunt: Crotch Chop from Strikers

Victory 1: Winning a match in Power Tennis (jumps into the air, strumming his racket like a guitar)
Victory 2: Rose from Mario Party 8
Victory 3: Fake Crotch Chop from Strikers Charged

Colors:
Black - Default
Red - Mario colors
Green - Luigi colors
Yellow - Wario colors
Blue - Fire Waluigi.....?
Brown - Foreman Spike colors

[Koopaul]

I don't like the horizontal rows. I rather it be vertical. Maybe like this?

[Gold]

So I couldn't help but notice that all of the arguments for having Geno in are pretty much the same ones that were shot down for Banjo.

[Alpha Six]

Geno is -party with Nintendo, Banjo isn'tt

i don't kno what aregument you are talking abotu btui am also increidbly sleep deprived so i could easily bec ompletely fucking confused righ tnow aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Koopaul]

Geno is a tricky one because of his legal status. However Geno is a third party character while Banjo is first party to Microsoft.

But I suppose you're right in a sense Arthur that people didn't ignore the legal issues of Banjo but they are with Geno.

[Gold]

Yeah, that's all I meant.

[HyperSonic92]

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Waluigi
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B: Drop Rocket: Waluigi jumps into the air and then thrusts his legs down and stomps on the ground. If used in the air, the attack spikes enemies and sends Waluigi higher into the air.
Forward B: Wall-uigi: Waluigi charges then starts running forward for a bit as a wall of purple vines appears behind him. You can change directions you're running or even jump to create a destructible shield or wall.
Up B: Swimming Return: Waluigi sticks his fingers in his ears then starts to swim in midair, better for horizontal recovery.
Down B: Whirluigi: Waluigi strikes a pose that resembles his symbol then starts to spin in place, those who get hit are spun in the opposite direction they were facing.

Final Smash: Thorny Waluigi: Waluigi glows and his racket turns into a thorny whip. He becomes invincible for a short time and his moveset changes to a simple A and B. A makes Waluigi whip the ground in front of him quickly while B is a more powerful overhead swing of the whip. B acts as a tether recovery in the event you need to get back onto the stage.

Neutral Attack: Racket smack, "sparta kick"
Dash Attack: Waluigi dives forward, similar to his diving reach in Power Tennis

Forward Tilt: Waluigi leans forward and stomps on the ground.
Up Tilt: Waluigi jabs upwards with his tennis racket.
Down Tilt: Waluigi crounches down and slides forward like he's trying to slide onto a baseball base

Forward Smash: Waluigi delivers a hard smack with his tennis racket
Up Smash: Waluigi throws a Bob-omb in a high-arc. (Closer to Snake's UpSmash in terms of strength rather than actual Bob-omb)
Down Smash: Waluigi stomps on the ground in front of him multiple times.

Neutral Air: Waluigi swats the air with his racket
Forward Air: Kick similar to his kicking the soccer ball in midair in Strikers
Back Air: Waluigi strikes a pose like he is lounging leisurely (Think Dedede's crouch animation)
Up Air: Waluigi strikes a pose that resembles his symbol
Down Air: Waluigi kicks downwards multiple times

Ledge Attack >100%: Waluigi swims onto the stage
Ledge Attack <100%: Waluigi swats the ground in front of the ledge with his racket before climbing up

Grab Attack: A simple knee to the gut
Forward Throw: Waluigi reels back and tosses the enemy like a baseball
Back Throw: Waluigi puts his foot on the foe's stomach then boots them away
Up Throw: Waluigi throws his enemy up into the air then smashes them like a tennis ball
Down Throw: Waluigi drops the foe on the ground and kicks them in the stomach like a soccer ball

Up Taunt: Point Scored from Power Tennis
Side Taunt: Tosses a Liar Ball from Superstar Baseball up and down in his free hand as he laughs mockingly
Down Taunt: Crotch Chop from Strikers

Victory 1: Winning a match in Power Tennis (jumps into the air, strumming his racket like a guitar)
Victory 2: Rose from Mario Party 8
Victory 3: Fake Crotch Chop from Strikers Charged

Colors:
Black - Default
Red - Mario colors
Green - Luigi colors
Yellow - Wario colors
Blue - Fire Waluigi.....?
Brown - Foreman Spike colors

Awesome job with the moveset AG. I happened to have made a Waluigi moveset of my own:

Neutral Special - Wicked Kick - Similar to DK's Neutral Special but with his foot.
Side Special - either Wall-Luigi or Tennis Racket - Wall-Luigi has him dashing forward with a wall of vines following him; Tennis Racket is using a Tennis Racket to reflect projectiles. If Wall-Luigi is used, Tennis Racket becomes Side Smash maybe.
Up Special - either Whirl-Luigi or Purple Rocket - Whirl-Luigi has him spinning in a fashion similar to Luigi Cyclone to float up; Purple Rocket acts like Diddy's Up Special (in function) combined with Luigi's Side Special (in apperance).
Down Special - Bomb-Omb - Had to fit this somewhere; unlike Link's bombs, Waluigi throws them immediately.
Final Smash - (not decided yet; leaning towards Super Strike) - His Super Strike from Charged, which is flying up to the top of the stage and whipping a giant vine rope; need help thinking of another idea

Neutral Combo - Punch with his left hand, then kicks with his feet
Side Tilt - Roundhouse kick
Side Smash - (if Wall-Luigi is Side B) Tennis Racket, (if Tennis Racket is Side B) Kinda like Wario's side tilt but with two fists
Up Tilt - Kicks upwards
Up Smash - Flip kick
Down Tilt - Sweeps leg
Down Smash - Spins around with his legs spread out

Neutral Aerial - He makes a T formation and spins around
Forward Aerial - Kicks both feet forward
Back Aerial - Swings his fist behind him
Up Aerial - Puts hands above head and spins like a drill
Down Aerial - Bicycle kicks

Pummel - Knees
Forward Throw - Kicks the opponent forward
Back Throw - Throws the opponent behind him as if he/she were a baseball
Up Throw - Tosses the opponent up and kicks him/her upwards
Down Throw - Stomps on the opponent several times

Taunts
*He has one hand at his side and uses his other hand to "slap the air" saying "MEEAH You lousy"
*Laughs with his hands at chest
*the in-famous Crotch Chop

Entrance - He rides a purple Kart on stage and jumps out, twirling his 'stache and chuckling

Win Animations
*He spins once and pulls out a red rose saying "Ha-HAAAA, Waluigi is the best here!"
*Starts breakdancing and stands up doing the upside-down L sign with his hand above his forehead
*He begins to do the Crotch Chop again but stops and waves his finger going "Uh-uh-uh" and laughs

Also he should swim in the air, akin to Kirby's multi-jumps, and he could have a "WaluigiWare" costume along with his overalls (like Wario)

[GaryCXJk]

koopaul, it's what we "gamers" call double standard. By our double standard, Geno is first-party, even though most gaming fans, including at least half of all of the SmashBoards community, is aware of Geno's legal status. But fuck legal status, who needs it when it's not convenient for us!

[Ton]

Geno's not just third party though. It's not like Square could use him without Nintendo. SMRPG was a joint effort, so I think both companies retain some copyright, so that puts Geno (and the other SMPRG characters) in some strange no-man's-land between the two companies.