puggsoy's Bottomless Top Hat Of Sprites

[Garamonde]

It's not up.

[puggsoy]

I've been thinking of ripping the puzzle-specifc images for the Professor Layton games. I was wondering though, should I have a sheet for every puzzle, or should I have, say, 10 puzzles per sheet? Most puzzles will just have two 256 x 192 background images (one when solving the puzzle, another when solved), but some puzzles will have other GUI or stuff specific to that puzzle (e.g. buttons).

In my personal opinion I don't think a puzzle for each sheet would be too bad. There are only 162-203 puzzles in each of the currently released games (it increases in each game), and although that's quite a bit, it's nothing compared to the Pokemon sheets from the B&W games. Still, if you want me to put them in groups that's possible.

By the way, don't think I'm slacking off on that BiS stuff: puzzles are just something I can rip that's not as hefty

[Garamonde]

I don't know what you mean by puzzle-specific images. Are they like backgrounds or something else? Could you give me an example or two?

[Previous]

If you go for one sheet per puzzle, you could still look into putting similar puzzles onto one sheet (like the chess puzzles etc; the one that have harder versions).

[puggsoy]

I tried to explain it in the last post but of course a picture's better, so here:



The first image is a background image viewed in the bottom screen while solving the puzzle, while the puzzle's text is in the top screen. The second image appears in the top screen once you've solved the puzzle, while the bottom screen has text explaining the answer or congratulating you.
This what most puzzles would consist of (plus my tag of course), since the graphics for answering are used by multiple puzzles (which I'll put in another sheet). Some puzzles, however, may answer using graphics specific to that puzzle. For instance, the puzzle I'm using as an example is a tetris-type puzzle, and uses these pieces:



So I'd put these along with the background images in the sheet. Depending on the puzzle there may be many or few of these kind of graphics.

By the way, it's possible that I may choose to add an extra image containing the puzzle name, if I decide that the font or background of the name isn't rippable. These are the same size as the background images, so if I decide to include them I'll just add it to the sheet.

If you go for one sheet per puzzle, you could still look into putting similar puzzles onto one sheet (like the chess puzzles etc; the one that have harder versions).

Maybe. You're probably thinking about those "Too Many Queens" puzzles from the Curious Village. I could do that with that puzzle specifically, since they all have similar graphics, but puzzles like these tetris-style ones often have different pieces. What's more, I would prefer (although it's not necessary) to have the sheets numbered, so that they're in order and people can find them easily. Related puzzles are rarely next to each other so putting them together would break this order.

I could also put puzzle answering graphics in entirely different sheets altogether, they could have their own section.

[Garamonde]

Sorry I haven't played the games so I'm gonna be difficult understanding stuff about it. If they're in any certain order, what I would do is, have one or more on one sheet depending on how many graphics come with it (AKA how big it is), like for example "Puzzle 1 & Puzzle 2" on one sheet, going in order for each sheet of course and if Puzzle 3 was bigger (like maybe the Tetris one) it could go on its own sheet as Puzzle 3. You could then have like "Puzzles 4, 5 & 6" or something like that if more than one or two are small enough to go together (separated/labeled of course). But again, if I'm still misunderstanding I apologize.

[Previous]

Yeah, kinda like I did with my Lufia maps. Depending on the size, I tried to merge sheets where feasible while keeping their order.

[puggsoy]

All right then. I'll just give myself a set number of puzzles per sheet, around 5 or 6. Or less depending on the type of extra graphics. So I'll have like "Puzzles 001 - 005", "Puzzles 015 - 017", "Puzzle 064", etc.

And yeah sorry Mighty, I get that it's probably a bit hard to understand if you've never played the game. Looks like you've got the gist of the situation though.

[puggsoy]

Puzzles 001-003 [Puzzles], Puzzle 004 [Puzzles] - 29/9/2012


Professor Layton and the Diabolical Box (DS)

Here's the first couple. I've decided to do 3 puzzles per sheet, seems like a comfortable amount for most puzzle sheets. I would have started with the Curious Village puzzles, but since those are layered a bit strangely I decided to leave them for now.
Anyway, you've got the background images of solved up top and solving down bottom, since those are the screens they appear on. Then below (or next to, in the case of 004) you've got any additional sprites. While ripping I noticed that each puzzle has a little preview image, similar to those from the microgames in WarioWare: Twisted, so I added those. I also put the name of each puzzle above its images, just to help distinguish between puzzles and help people find the puzzle they're looking for (like if they only remember the name).

As usual if there's anything I should change just say.

[Garamonde]

Okey they're up now, they look great! As a note though, I had to label Puzzles 001 - 003 as "Puzzle 001 - 003", because the added S in the name made it show up after Puzzle 004.
You can still name the icons as normal, I just had to do that or they'd be out of order.

[puggsoy]

Thanks! I see you also put Playable Characters at the top

OK then, that's fine, to be honest I named the 004 file "puzzles4" on my hard drive to keep it in order as well. I'll just keep the icons like this, since not using a plural for multiple puzzles just looks weird. I can see the label when I hover above the icon, but that doesn't matter, I mean people only look at the icons anyway.

[Garamonde]

Well I figured it'd be okay since most people are smart enough to look past the lack of plural since it's very clear there's multiple puzzles on one sheet, plus your icon has the correct name and many sheets have different names from the icons anyway.
And yeah the section was kinda messy and was bugging me a lot so I fixed it.

[puggsoy]

Puzzles 005-007 [Puzzles], Puzzles 008-010 [Puzzles] - 30/9/2012


Professor Layton of the Diabolical Box (DS)

About Puzzle 006: there are multiple Pancake Stacks puzzles, and the only difference between them is that they have different numbers of pancakes. The background image and pancakes graphics are the same (although each puzzle has an extra, bigger pancake).
I think there are 3 Pancake Stacks, and while the other 2 are right next to each other, this one is very far apart from them. Therefore the other 2 will be on the same sheet and I'll just put the graphics once, however I thought it'd be best to just put this one like this, to keep the order. Hope all that makes sense.

By the way, it also doesn't have a top screen image for when you solve the puzzle, not sure why but it seems puzzles that recur with increasing difficulty don't have them for whatever reason. Maybe because they'd all be the same and that would be annoying, I dunno

[Garamonde]

You mean there are three different pancake sizes? That's actually better than the stacks then.

[puggsoy]

Not sure if you're getting the idea. Here's what I mean:

This puzzle is #006 and is called "Pancake Stacks 1", and it contains 3 pancake graphics (each a different size). There are two more puzzles, #083 and #084, called "Pancake Stacks 2" and "Pancake Stacks 3", respectively. From now on I'll use "PS" instead of "Pancake Stacks" for simplicity.
Now all these puzzles use exactly the same graphics. The only difference is that PS 2 and 3 each have one more pancake sprite than the last, that is, PS 2 has 4 pancakes and PS 3 has 5 pancakes. These extra pancake sprites are larger, thus they are different sprites.

Here are pictures to illustrate it better (ignore the buttons on the right):

Pancake Stacks 1


Pancake Stacks 2


Pancake Stacks 3


See what I mean? They use the same sprites but an extra pancake gets added for each puzzle.

Now, the latter two would appear on the same sheet, in which case I would rip the sprites from JUST PS 3, as that contains the sprites from PS 2 as well (since PS 3 uses all of PS 2's graphics, but plus a pancake). The reason I can't do this with PS 1 is that they're not next to each other in order. So while the background and 3 pancakes from PS 1 will be the same as from PS 2 and 3, because it's earlier in the numbering it can't be on the same sheet and can't use the same rips.

What I'm essentially trying to say is this: usually, I would put ALL the pancake graphics on one sheet, consisting of one background image and all the pancake sizes. However, since the puzzles are numbered I can only do this with PS 2 and 3 as they are the only ones that would both appear on the same sheet.

I also noticed just now that there's a fourth puzzle, Super Pancakes, which has 7 pancakes:

Super Pancakes


This is puzzle #144 so I would also have to put this on a separate sheet as well.