Calling Bullshit regarding what happened last night

[Vipershark]

Did you just seriously not read a single word i said because, uh
february 2012 was when he STARTED doing things wrong

so why didn't you warn him when he started doing these alleged things wrong? really, i want to know! if it was that bad i'm sure you would have warned him at least a few times for it, especially since sam got warned for swearing, which your administrator also did, and, technically, does with every single post he makes (user title).

Because honestly it's not worth the fight most of the time.

There have been COUNTLESS times where we've specifically NOT warned you guys or taken action against you because it'd lead to bigger conflicts. That doesn't somehow absolve them of doing it though.

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that you[r friends] are toxic shitstains who do absolutely nothing here but insult people, criticize the moderation, and cause problems in general.

haha, get this, maybe if you actually took our critiques into consideration and stopped acting hotheaded and doing shit just because you can, nobody would have a problem at all! i know it's incredibly easy to dismiss us because we're not Wow Super Serious all of the time, but it's also incredibly irresponsible to do so, especially when we raise valid points and you dismiss them with "UGH WHY DON'T YOU JUST LEAVE THEN"

Valid critique according to Tyvon Jamal Thomas:

it looks really weird as if you just scribbled it instead of spriting, all the lines look really jaggy you should make them nicer! Your shading looks totaly random, like there is no clear light source? also like Cobalt Blue sayd i don't know what it is!! the anatimy looks weird too, the legs are too short and there is no neck!

Not to derail, but

Supabuddie, dont you fucking dare use this built in function in my message board. you fucking shithead
you piece of shit. you fucing piec eof garbage
Thanks.

there you go vipes, you're such a Highly Sklilled Moderator, i quoted your post with what you really meant, since i figured you needed a break from all of this hard-hitting moderation you do. thank me later.

Insult

smileys are for turdwranglers and jokefucks :ogre:

Shitpost

smileys are for turdwranglers and jokefucks :ogre:

I like this cat.

Also, I found a few helpful examples of real passive aggression that could clear up some confusion in this thread.

Shitpost

tsr is a bad forum *rides motorcycle into the sunset, it explodes and i die, leading my soul to rise to the heavens were i downrep every tsr member and make fun of their sprites*

shitpost

tsr is a bad forum *rides motorcycle into the sunset, it explodes and i die, leading my soul to rise to the heavens were i downrep every tsr member and make fun of their sprites*

ANARCHY!!! *OLLY'S INTO THE SUNSET ALONE. MEANWHILE COPS WORLDWIDE SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST*

shitpost

i'm not a cop, but tell me how you get a weed, i need to know for a school project. do not ask what the project is

shitpost

Where's the critique...?

that isn't even what this issue is about, tyvon.

so what's the big, singular issue then? because this is the issue that we've talked about the most. you also haven't touched upon any of the other previous callouts, including the ones in which you and your community personally insulted me over advice and did not apologize or show contempt for your unnecessary actions in the slightest. quite frankly, i think that deserves critique.

Are you just not reading my posts at all whatsoever?
The issue is with you[r friends] being shitlords.
Stop acting like it's not actually happening because it's kind of, as you would say, A Thing.

You've yet to point out how somehow politely telling a guy to use less smilies is a huge offense, especially one that's bigger than what you're doing.

[Crappy Blue Luigi]

again, i'm not saying you don't have valid points, but when you back them up with fallacious arguments, then i can't take them seriously.

what "fallacious" argument have i made?

thanks for giving me a serious response. sincerely, thank you.

one example is, of course, in the post i just made.

so it's totally okay that your community does it, as long as i don't do it back.

gotcha!

in your post right there, you assumed that anything i hadn't said in my post was something i didn't have qualm with, and you did this in order to make my argument seem flimsy. in this state, it's a lot easier to take me down, huh? that's a Straw Man fallacy.

actually, you've done this previous times in this thread.

The TSR moderation team never claimed you're a sub-par developer, that was my own statement. I wasn't even a moderator at the time so please keep any personal vendettas out of this.

so just because you weren't part of the mod team, that justifies personally insulting me?

obsessively hold up the forums here as the worst thing on the entire internet and take every opportunity to snipe at the staff and members behind closed doors, and then deny it vehemently

"This Group Of Friends Joke About Things Every Once In A While, So Therefore, Ergo, They Do It All The Time"

these were actually pretty infrequent, so saying you backed up your claims with "fallacious" arguments was an exaggeration, but these still stood out to me. arguing in this fashion only weakens your points.

honestly? you started out a little incendiary, but with well-thought-out criticisms, and then you started to respond to people with sarcasm and straw men. i noticed you weren't as bad about this after i posted.

(sorry if i'm getting over-analytical here)

((also i skipped over literally everybody else's posts, so apologies if someone else did the exact same thing and i failed to call them out on it. that doesn't excuse me not being fair, but i'm just trying to make a point at the moment. if there are any examples you'd like to point out, please do! i'm singling you out in this post, but i don't like anybody arguing this way))

anyway, i really mean none of this personally, tyvon. this just really gets to me. sam liked to post and talk to me in the same ways, and even though he would always pin it down in conversation as "the way he talked" and that he "didn't mean anything" with it, i could never find it in me to trust him.

[PatientZero]

so what were you saying about being civilized again

That's not really a response is it? Seems more along the lines of avoiding the issue. (and also not getting the joke)

Besides, civility goes out the window if you're willing to believe even a fraction of those lies. (which strangely seem to lack any evidence at all, and some of which are even entirely impossible)

But I'm done with this anyway, it's late and this is just not worth losing sleep over.

[DioShiba]

Valid critique according to Tyvon Jamal Thomas:

there you go vipes, you're such a Highly Sklilled Moderator, i quoted your post with what you really meant, since i figured you needed a break from all of this hard-hitting moderation you do. thank me later.

Insult

smileys are for turdwranglers and jokefucks :ogre:

Shitpost

smileys are for turdwranglers and jokefucks :ogre:

I like this cat.

Also, I found a few helpful examples of real passive aggression that could clear up some confusion in this thread.

Shitpost

tsr is a bad forum *rides motorcycle into the sunset, it explodes and i die, leading my soul to rise to the heavens were i downrep every tsr member and make fun of their sprites*

shitpost

tsr is a bad forum *rides motorcycle into the sunset, it explodes and i die, leading my soul to rise to the heavens were i downrep every tsr member and make fun of their sprites*

ANARCHY!!! *OLLY'S INTO THE SUNSET ALONE. MEANWHILE COPS WORLDWIDE SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST*

shitpost

i'm not a cop, but tell me how you get a weed, i need to know for a school project. do not ask what the project is

shitpost

Where's the critique...?

Thing is the majority of these shit post contain sarcasm about what the majority of the mods complain about.

This sarcasm is also elaborating on what you are complaining about in this thread right now.

The wizards must be abundant these days. No really, these things they mention are the same things you do to defend yourself whenever there's a shit fit on here and it's like you can't come up with any other defense other than problems that happened when TSR got it's independent forum.

[Vipershark]

What?
Like, seriously, what?

The wizards must be abundant these days. No really, these things they mention are the same things you do to defend yourself whenever there's a shit fit on here and it's like you can't come up with any other defense other than problems that happened when TSR got it's independent forum

Elaborate on this.

[DioShiba]

What?
Like, seriously, what?

The wizards must be abundant these days. No really, these things they mention are the same things you do to defend yourself whenever there's a shit fit on here and it's like you can't come up with any other defense other than problems that happened when TSR got it's independent forum

Elaborate on this.

Allow me to post an example about how their sarcasm is literally saying that you were going to complain about shit with certain defenses

tsr is a bad forum *rides motorcycle into the sunset, it explodes and i die, leading my soul to rise to the heavens were i downrep every tsr member and make fun of their sprites*

ANARCHY!!! *OLLY'S INTO THE SUNSET ALONE. MEANWHILE COPS WORLDWIDE SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST*

As I said repeatedly before, if the only reason you're here is to complain, you shouldn't be here.

That and I swear to god, you bring up the fact that they basically insult pretty much everyone on here, constantly. I can't find the quote on this but you did mention it somewhere.

The sarcasm in that post pretty much points out that you are claiming that these guys are creating a bunch of insults, posting a ton of shit and bringing a ton of negativity on the board. If they didn't bring up something that members did a long ass time ago and stopped doing it when the mods bitched about it then this would be practically irrelevant. But you guys are still complaining about the negativity certain members bring.

Before you actually claim that this is bullshit, let me remind you that you have constantly said that Sam has been constantly making insults, bringing some form of morbidly awful negativity that will ruin the board's image, let alone how they make fun of everyone's sprites like some sort defense when you call us out. Well, show us the proof other wise it's just bullshit. Interpreting what the post actually means helps out and that's what I got out of the sarcasm.

[Keiang]

Thing is the majority of these shit post contain sarcasm about what the majority of the mods complain about.

This sarcasm is also elaborating on what you are complaining about in this thread right now.

Just because it's sarcastic doesn't stop it from being a shitpost. If someone takes a dump on your lawn, it doesn't really matter if they were joking or serious- there's still poop on the ground. If they had a problem with the moderation, they probably should've had an open discussion like this one. I don't think I'm qualified to say if they had a serious point or not, but the way they said it wasn't helpful for anyone.

Also, I have no idea what that second part even is. Something about wizards?

[Alpha Six]

honestly? you started out a little incendiary, but with well-thought-out criticisms, and then you started to respond to people with sarcasm

i stop taking things "seriously" when people stop taking me seriously, i'm sure you'll notice that after reading through the thread a couple more times (especially since you said yourself that everyone else is doing it too, but it's my fault for reacting to it)

i know you don't mean to be insulting at all but when you consider the situation and the actual reaction to it from the "very professional mod team," it's a very big, noticable issue. "mods" should not be responding to people with sarcasm and insult and detracting from the actual point that someone is making, no matter how they feel about them.

if you really think that you guys are so very correct in your choices, then why not unban the offenders and let them explain themselves if they so choose to? i can't speak for everyone but i can speak for my own personal experiences (which STILL haven't been acknowledged!).

[DioShiba]

Also, I have no idea what that second part even is. Something about wizards?

please actually look at the difference between the italics and normally fonted letters in my original post before you say that I'm being serious about the wizard part because apparently Viper had the smart idea of getting rid of those in his quote.

The wizard part is a sarcastic expression if anything, I'm just saying the guys who got banned brought up what the mods do whenever they're backed into a corner before it even happened, because they have done it before when shit like this happens.

[Woppet*]

First world problems: The thread.

[Alpha Six]

You've yet to point out how somehow politely telling a guy to use less smilies is a huge offense, especially one that's bigger than what you're doing.

because why are you wasting your time "moderating" something that isn't even an issue like god damn smileys when you could be moderating your Actual Memberbase instead, maybe to the point where people would stop being "snarky" and "shitposty" towards people

you clearly don't if, reminder, gordon is permabanned for one offense but apparently he's just been breaking rules left and right since feburary (which went unwarned)

it's not my fault that i'm negatively reacting to what is essentially staff negligence

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anyways i'm clearly not going to be taken seriously (and in all honesty i don't particularly care but i enjoy listening to bad arguments, having my own actual conflicts completely ignored, and being insulted for having a girlfriend) by anybody except CBL because of how i feel about this place so this is a huge waste of time. god bless you CBL, and i leave you all with this

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i fully expect passive aggression from staff and community over my leave (as is the usual reaction on this board when people leave when you don't like them)

[Garamonde]

See ya Tyvon~

[Vipershark]

What?
Like, seriously, what?

The wizards must be abundant these days. No really, these things they mention are the same things you do to defend yourself whenever there's a shit fit on here and it's like you can't come up with any other defense other than problems that happened when TSR got it's independent forum

Elaborate on this.

Allow me to post an example about how their sarcasm is literally saying that you were going to complain about shit with certain defenses

tsr is a bad forum *rides motorcycle into the sunset, it explodes and i die, leading my soul to rise to the heavens were i downrep every tsr member and make fun of their sprites*

ANARCHY!!! *OLLY'S INTO THE SUNSET ALONE. MEANWHILE COPS WORLDWIDE SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUST*

As I said repeatedly before, if the only reason you're here is to complain, you shouldn't be here.

That and I swear to god, you bring up the fact that they basically insult pretty much everyone on here, constantly. I can't find the quote on this but you did mention it somewhere.

The sarcasm in that post pretty much points out that you are claiming that these guys are creating a bunch of insults, posting a ton of shit and bringing a ton of negativity on the board. If they didn't bring up something that members did a long ass time ago and stopped doing it when the mods bitched about it then this would be practically irrelevant. But you guys are still complaining about the negativity certain members bring.

Before you actually claim that this is bullshit, let me remind you that you have constantly said that Sam has been constantly making insults, bringing some form of morbidly awful negativity that will ruin the board's image, let alone how they make fun of everyone's sprites like some sort defense when you call us out. Well, show us the proof other wise it's just bullshit. Interpreting what the post actually means helps out and that's what I got out of the sarcasm.

I'm...

confused.

You're telling me that when they come here and shitpost (which is 100% a thing that they do, they even admit it themselves) that I'm...
not allowed to call them out on that because... they know I'll call them out on it?

Is that seriously what you're saying?

[DioShiba]

See ya Tyvon~

Well now I can see what tyvon means about not being taken seriously.

this pretty much proves his point right here.

[Vipershark]

Oh, tyvon left.

And nothing of value was lost.