General Sonic is Terrible Thread

[~Axis~]

Most of the time they do it that way. But
sometimes they say, "its about time we
made a new Star Fox game" or something
like that.

In sega's case, that would be "HEY GUYS LETS DO SOMETHING SO NEW WE WONT KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING"

[Maxpphire]

The problem is that some people think:
"Sonic can't work in 3D"
When its really:
"Sonic has yet to work in 3D"

Sonic Generations would like to have a word with you.

While it had a very Kingdom Hearts and Katamari Universe type of feel at times, it still stood out as it's own game and was really fun.


City Escape all day erry day.

[Iceman404]

I have no interest in silly hallway simulators. Its so linearly designed all the time it may as well be 2D arcade game. Sonic Generations is not why I was a Sonic fan, it plays nothing like what got me into the series, its an entirely different beast. The closest we got was the original Sonic Adventure in terms of actual mechanics, but SEGA seems too dumb to take the time to polish those controls, give us better physics/slope interaction, and non linear level design.

[Vipershark]

The problem is that some people think:
"Sonic can't work in 3D"
When its really:
"Sonic has yet to work in 3D"

Sonic Generations would like to have a word with you.

While it had a very Kingdom Hearts and Katamari Universe type of feel at times, it still stood out as it's own game and was really fun.


City Escape all day erry day.

I said it on the last page and I'll say it again.
Unleashed Day/Colors/Generations is NOT 3D Sonic. The graphics might be made out of 3D polygons but the gameplay is very much 2D.

[Omegajak]

The problem is that some people think:
"Sonic can't work in 3D"
When its really:
"Sonic has yet to work in 3D"

Sonic Generations would like to have a word with you.

While it had a very Kingdom Hearts and Katamari Universe type of feel at times, it still stood out as it's own game and was really fun.


City Escape all day erry day.

I said it on the last page and I'll say it again.
Unleashed Day/Colors/Generations is NOT 3D Sonic. The graphics might be made out of 3D polygons but the gameplay is very much 2D.

Oh, so everyone wants Sonic Lost Adventure World 2? Good. I'm glad we're all clear on that.

[~Axis~]

No. Fans want another Sonic 06.

Except one that isn't glitchy or have a fucked up storyline. Tweaked with models that dont look like some reality shit and with improved gameplay.

[Maxpphire]

The problem is that some people think:
"Sonic can't work in 3D"
When its really:
"Sonic has yet to work in 3D"

Sonic Generations would like to have a word with you.

While it had a very Kingdom Hearts and Katamari Universe type of feel at times, it still stood out as it's own game and was really fun.


City Escape all day erry day.

I said it on the last page and I'll say it again.
Unleashed Day/Colors/Generations is NOT 3D Sonic. The graphics might be made out of 3D polygons but the gameplay is very much 2D.

In that case then all of Sonic's Stages in Adventure and Adventure 2 (Add Shadow to A2) must be 2D, because they pretty much play out the same as Unleashed Day and The Modern Sonic Generation stages. Except in the Unleashed Day and Modern Sonic Generations Stages, it actually has a a decent camera for those games that made the game even more playable!!!

Unpopular Opinion time, get ready!!!!

The Sonic Adventure games weren't good, sure the Chao gardens were amazing, but after all we only grinded the levels we found fun to level them up, and the only Sonic Mechanic I ever want to see to come back is his ring dash ability, but like the camera and controls made the game harder then necessary to play, the story was also a massive joke. Shadow is at least 50 years old and dies at the end of the Adventure games. Which in the end means Shadow is the original and Sonic is not, otherwise I'm sure Gerald could have informed Ivo "hey there is this dumb blue hedgehog who is gonna be a pain in your side". Also what was the point of Shadow's death if he just keeps coming back in other games? How did Sonic Survive and Shadow not even if Shadow's powers are constantly thrown in your face as being "better"? Dr. Robotnik wanted to blow up the world since the beginning of the games and in the end saves it from being blown up. Like what? "lmao too bad about your moon guys, I shouldn't have done that OH WELL NO CONSEQUENCES FOR ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T ACTUALLY BLOW YOU GUYS UP AND HELPED SAVE EVERYONE EVEN THOUGH I FUCKED WITH YOUR OCEANS :0)" Hell, why did Gerald want to blow up the earth in the first place???? I can deal with cliffhangers or leaving a thing to a person's imagination, but if it was for that it did it totally wrong. Either give me answers or a reason to actually leave it to my imagination.

I don't want another Sonic Adventure Game. I want more Sonic games like Generations. I want a very minimal story line, only just enough of a reason to go fast. Then I just wanna go fast.

The Sonic Adventure games didn't get me to like Sonic. The Genesis Games did. Hell the Genesis games got me into gaming as a whole in the first place. The only Adventure things I'd like to see come back is Good Music, ring dash, and Chao Gardens, keep your anime storylines out of it.

[~Axis~]

I thought the ringdash was still here!?

Anyways, I get what you mean with the storylines. Sonic wasnt made to be like that. He was made like Mario, Kirby and Megaman. A just play type of character. The thing is that the Unleashed/Generations gameplay makes you go fast, sure, and Its fun but thats just it. Just speed. You dont get to use that speed in any other way except for going straight or quick stepping. I dont call that fun. I call that repetetive. Sure you could drift but at the blurry speeds youre going at you'll either mess up or the drift will be useless.

You spoke about the camera being good and I agree but whats the use of a good camera if I cant get to see cool stuff with it other than BOOOOOOOOSSSSSTTTTT.

[Iceman404]

Kat are you like intentionally missing the point matrix style here.

No one is praising the background of the Adventure titles or it's level design or any of that. What's being discussed is how the basic controls and mechanics of Sonic Adventure should've been kept and improved upon rather than constantly changing control schemes; since if it were polished (level design included) it'd basically be the near perfect representation of the Genesis Style in 3D. What's being discuuuuussed is how blatantly shallow and monotonous the "Hedgehog Engine" formula is.

No one praised Adventure's story or Chao Gardens at all, and especially not it's camera. You're getting pretty defensive over something that wasn't argued over.


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In that case then all of Sonic's Stages in Adventure and Adventure 2 (Add Shadow to A2) must be 2D, because they pretty much play out the same as Unleashed Day and The Modern Sonic Generation stages.

Seriously though, no, lol.

EDIT: Wait I just basically reposted exactly what I said at the top of this page, dang why didn't you just read...

[Maxpphire]

Honestly then, here is this.

I don't expect sonic to be much more then a "lets go fast on a track" type of game. It might feel like a hallway simulator to you, but not all games should have lasted as long as sonic either.

I really do thing that Sega should focus on other IPs, but if they are really gonna push sonic, I'd rather have good hallway simulators then half hallway simulator and half wtf is even going on.

In that case then all of Sonic's Stages in Adventure and Adventure 2 (Add Shadow to A2) must be 2D, because they pretty much play out the same as Unleashed Day and The Modern Sonic Generation stages.

Seriously though, no, lol.

Actually yes. Yes they are. In fact I'm pretty sure City Escape as a level exists in Sonic Generation and Sonic Adventure. The Modern Sonic Stage kept it pretty close to the original minus the shit camera, the truck, and a few extra paths to take. The only time where Sonic Stages move away from that formula is during a boss fight, and even then thats not his stage but the end of his stage so it doesn't count as being a stage and I don't think 1/10th of a stage can be considering for his full stage to not being a 2D stage.

[Kriven]

Sonic Adventure is nowhere even close to Hedgehog Engine in terms of gameplay... Sonic Adventure is much closer to Super Mario 64 and Banjo-Kazooie, really... Without the treasure hunt aspects, but the way Sonic controls and how freely he can explore the environment.

Modern Sonic is a glorified Endless Runner game.

[psychospacecow]

I was praising Chao Garden... Hey, did anyone actually enjoy the mech and treasure hunt modes? I didn't.

[~Axis~]

I didnt enjoy the Chao Garden modes at all, except for the chao themselves. Would have been nice if you could actually use them in a stage kinda like pokemon.

Would have been cool for gameplay.

[Iceman404]

Actually yes. Yes they are. In fact I'm pretty sure City Escape as a level exists in Sonic Generation and Sonic Adventure. The Modern Sonic Stage kept it pretty close to the original minus the shit camera, the truck, and a few extra paths to take. The only time where Sonic Stages move away from that formula is during a boss fight, and even then thats not his stage but the end of his stage so it doesn't count as being a stage and I don't think 1/10th of a stage can be considering for his full stage to not being a 2D stage.

"They ported a stage from X, that means this game plays like X!"

[Kriven]

I was praising Chao Garden... Hey, did anyone actually enjoy the mech and treasure hunt modes? I didn't.

I do. I also enjoy fishing as Big, which would have been a much smoother experience with a tiny bit more polish.