05-24-2010, 02:58 PM
hrm
okay, so I'm *fairly* certain I'm going to run a Kingdra/Kyogre lead
my friend's trying to tell me that it'll get shut down by a rogue Rayquaza, but even IF Rayquaza will get a ton of usage here, I'll Blizzard and Ice Beam the fuck out of it
but now I'm trying to consider who else would go excellently as backups
I mean, two pokemon that will not only run awesomely with each other, but will also run well with my Kingdra and Kyogre
Kingdra @ Modest and Swift Swim with Choice Specs
Ice Beam
Dragon Pulse
Surf
Substitute (maybe??? idk; I might give it Brine or Signal Beam instead)
Kyogre @ Modest and Drizzle with Leftovers
Calm Mind
Thunder
Surf (or Water Spout; probably Water Spout)
Ice Beam (or Blizzard; still deciding)
initial strategy: let Kingdra run like hell with Drizzle; I *might* set up with Substitute here or let it get a quick hit on the opponent provided they have a pokemon *begging* for a one-hit. If I have Signal Beam, I can do triple damage to Mewtwo (Bug destroys Psychic), and then hopefully Mewtwo will become weak enough for Kyogre to slam it with Thunder. If I'm dealing with Rayquaza, then again: it'll eat Ice Beams.
Kingdra's got its defenses going with its types; Kyogre has insane special defense
Now, I'm predicting that Kingdra will be the weakest link here, since it doesn't snuff up to what Kyogre's packing. So I'll assume it'll go down first.
So I'll bring in Ludicolo
Ludicolo @ Calm and Rain Dish with Life Orb (maybe??)
Leech Seed
Grass Knot
Hydro Pump (or Protect)
Toxic
Ludicolo pretty much BEGS to team with Kyogre. Rain Dish + Leech Seed = oh god. I could use this to promote Life Orb, or if I'm feeling like dicking everyone over, I could give Ludicolo Leftovers and give Kyogre something else (like Expert Belt or something). In the event that Ludicolo gets stuck with Kingdra, then oh well. Ludicolo will still work well as a supporter, and I can Toxic and Protect as I see fit.
and probably Toxicroak
Toxicroak @ Adamant and Dry Skin with Damp Rock (or Black Sludge)
Rain Dance
Poison Jab
Sucker Punch
Cross Chop (or Taunt)
The trick here is to make Toxicroak a Rain Dancer, to go along with Ludicolo and Kingdra. Namely, I'll bring it in in the event that Kyogre gets KO'd, so then Kingdra can still get some rain effects going. Oh, and then Dry Skin helps out a lot with a Kingdra (or hell, even a Kyogre) setup since not only will it get health regained after every turn due to rain, but I can even turn a water-type move on it and get it some extra health. Surf will come in handy here, since it hits everything in the field. Poison Jab gives it a STAB and I could potentially get a status affliction on the opponent, and Sucker Punch will give it first priority. Now the variation comes in with Taunt/Cross Chop and Damp Rock/Black Sludge. I'm leaning more towards Cross Chop and Damp Rock (CC's a STAB move, and as a Rain Dancer it will benefit from Damp Rock), but Taunt and Black Sludge might work just as well.
Again, this Rain Dance thing supports both Kingdra and Ludicolo. If it gets stuck with Kyogre, then it'll still benefit from Drizzle and it can go ahead being a physical attacker.
There's probably a ton of strategies that can knock me out, but I'm only seeing a glaring weakness towards Electric types. But then again, I could just pound them out until they get KO'd (or I could give Kyogre Earthquake instead of Calm Mind) since electrics don't have too many defenses against my attacks as it is.
okay, so I'm *fairly* certain I'm going to run a Kingdra/Kyogre lead
my friend's trying to tell me that it'll get shut down by a rogue Rayquaza, but even IF Rayquaza will get a ton of usage here, I'll Blizzard and Ice Beam the fuck out of it
but now I'm trying to consider who else would go excellently as backups
I mean, two pokemon that will not only run awesomely with each other, but will also run well with my Kingdra and Kyogre
Kingdra @ Modest and Swift Swim with Choice Specs
Ice Beam
Dragon Pulse
Surf
Substitute (maybe??? idk; I might give it Brine or Signal Beam instead)
Kyogre @ Modest and Drizzle with Leftovers
Calm Mind
Thunder
Surf (or Water Spout; probably Water Spout)
Ice Beam (or Blizzard; still deciding)
initial strategy: let Kingdra run like hell with Drizzle; I *might* set up with Substitute here or let it get a quick hit on the opponent provided they have a pokemon *begging* for a one-hit. If I have Signal Beam, I can do triple damage to Mewtwo (Bug destroys Psychic), and then hopefully Mewtwo will become weak enough for Kyogre to slam it with Thunder. If I'm dealing with Rayquaza, then again: it'll eat Ice Beams.
Kingdra's got its defenses going with its types; Kyogre has insane special defense
Now, I'm predicting that Kingdra will be the weakest link here, since it doesn't snuff up to what Kyogre's packing. So I'll assume it'll go down first.
So I'll bring in Ludicolo
Ludicolo @ Calm and Rain Dish with Life Orb (maybe??)
Leech Seed
Grass Knot
Hydro Pump (or Protect)
Toxic
Ludicolo pretty much BEGS to team with Kyogre. Rain Dish + Leech Seed = oh god. I could use this to promote Life Orb, or if I'm feeling like dicking everyone over, I could give Ludicolo Leftovers and give Kyogre something else (like Expert Belt or something). In the event that Ludicolo gets stuck with Kingdra, then oh well. Ludicolo will still work well as a supporter, and I can Toxic and Protect as I see fit.
and probably Toxicroak
Toxicroak @ Adamant and Dry Skin with Damp Rock (or Black Sludge)
Rain Dance
Poison Jab
Sucker Punch
Cross Chop (or Taunt)
The trick here is to make Toxicroak a Rain Dancer, to go along with Ludicolo and Kingdra. Namely, I'll bring it in in the event that Kyogre gets KO'd, so then Kingdra can still get some rain effects going. Oh, and then Dry Skin helps out a lot with a Kingdra (or hell, even a Kyogre) setup since not only will it get health regained after every turn due to rain, but I can even turn a water-type move on it and get it some extra health. Surf will come in handy here, since it hits everything in the field. Poison Jab gives it a STAB and I could potentially get a status affliction on the opponent, and Sucker Punch will give it first priority. Now the variation comes in with Taunt/Cross Chop and Damp Rock/Black Sludge. I'm leaning more towards Cross Chop and Damp Rock (CC's a STAB move, and as a Rain Dancer it will benefit from Damp Rock), but Taunt and Black Sludge might work just as well.
Again, this Rain Dance thing supports both Kingdra and Ludicolo. If it gets stuck with Kyogre, then it'll still benefit from Drizzle and it can go ahead being a physical attacker.
There's probably a ton of strategies that can knock me out, but I'm only seeing a glaring weakness towards Electric types. But then again, I could just pound them out until they get KO'd (or I could give Kyogre Earthquake instead of Calm Mind) since electrics don't have too many defenses against my attacks as it is.