07-10-2010, 03:45 PM
(07-10-2010, 03:36 PM)Butch Wrote: The discussion has reminded em of somethign else I hate: the word feminism. Nothing wrong with feminism, it's a good thing, but the word itself drives me insane.
I actually wanted to revisit this conversation, since I think we had this before!
I won't be able to explain it as well as this:
http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/...lusionary/
Quote:There’s no law that says only one box can be ticked here, and it’s hugely important not to get sucked into thinking that one choice excludes the others. A major reason that most populist debate in the corporate media (and in online forums too) is a pitiful sham is that way too many questions are argued on an either/or basis, instead of acknowledging the probability of a both/and stance. The either/or method of framing a debate is technically referred to as a “false dilemma” [more], and is one example of a logical fallacy.Also:
As to why feminism requires a distinct agenda within the equalist movements? The special and distinct problem of misogyny both oppressing and directly harming women, pure and simple. Unless misogyny is directly addressed and acted against, general equalist activism will not be enough.
http://finallyfeminism101.wordpress.com/...important/
Focussing on one problem is not ignoring another; there are actually a lot of male feminist allies who also make a point to discuss male roles in society too; but it should be men who create these spaces, not women. In the same way that it should be women who create spaces to discuss misogyny, not men. Women and men can have input on both, but because these are problems that specifically face these groups, the "reaction" groups, so to speak, should also be specific.