12-08-2010, 12:15 PM
(This post was last modified: 12-08-2010, 12:21 PM by Negative-Zer0.)
.1 The assist character thing was obviously a separate argument if you actually read the damn post. The assist system was the biggest give away. And the fact that i had an Mvc2 video posted right before. I don't even think you read because the sentence RIGHT AFTER THAT states "this is what i believe the versus series is about.
.2 DO i even have to say anything? I made an essay of a post explain why that middle ground causes many problems.
-making a new item=problems
Solution= don't make a new item.
.3 I love how you only took parts of the post you can argue with. When literally like the post or even a paragraph before that i explain my self. Left out the part where i said that keyboard=difficult. And the fact that gamepads are practically all over the place ala PS360 pads? Its not even as if they are like one frame links or something. Which is why i posted the Link vid AS AN EXAMPLE. Combos like that which are relatively easy to preform, but require an itsy bitsy sum of knowledge of the system. Meaning, you won't have to press different directions violently and insanely quick in order to preform a decent combo.
.4 Like i said, being close minded won't get anyone anywhere, creating ways around the system like making a new item has already been proven false. Why? Because is Restricts you from a part of the game, no creative license, and the fact that if the input would still be A+B, than making a new item would be unnecessary.
Lemme explain something to you Nindo:
Final smashes give you WAY more of advantage than the system does. The fact that they are unblockable makes this part of my argument speak for itself. If someone uses the combo function, however, the other player has a chance to runaway, and use those tricks koopaul stated in the first post of his argument. Not only that, put the player is not invineble, so you have a chance to fight back. NOT ONLY THAT BUT when you have a smash ball, the other player wil be more inclined to running away anyway. Meaning that you are gonna have to find a way to land that combo, or use your final smash, which is the meat of my whole items argument. I don't what precision as i have stated in my other post. I wanted it to have somewhat of a learning curve so it wouldn't potentially ruin the game, and yet still be fun.
The point is is that, i actually thought about what they said in great detail and stated in (suprise!) my other post why they wouldn't work.
Item argument=null and void.
Why? See previous page for full analasys on why.
A little spoiler on whats to come as you read that post. Restriction and choice
Gauge=null and void
Why? Though this would fix most if not all of the problems, this would bring it closer to street fighter than i am sure most people would want it to be.
Own Zone=null and void
Why? Because your putting limitation on something that would be better with no restrictions anyway.
In other words. Your putting limitation on creativity.
These are my views on the middle ground. They bring unnecessary issues that i would personally like to avoid the first time around.
Point of the system: To give the player a chance to be truly creative.
What i would like to avoid:
-unnecessary items that cause more problems in the long run. Yanno, giving the player the freedom of choice?
-Gauge systems that contradict what exactly what people don't want in smash bros.
-Limitations on creativity
-broken combo system
-too hard to preform a decent combo.
-too easy to preform a decent combo.
These seem to be the points everyone seems to avoid when arguing against the system. Or to even, pfft I don't know, try it?
Which is also what i said in (WHAT A SHOCKER) a previous post.
EDIT:
BTW i=I think we are discussing this on the wrong topic anyway. I believe we should take it to "The Engine" topic.
.2 DO i even have to say anything? I made an essay of a post explain why that middle ground causes many problems.
-making a new item=problems
Solution= don't make a new item.
.3 I love how you only took parts of the post you can argue with. When literally like the post or even a paragraph before that i explain my self. Left out the part where i said that keyboard=difficult. And the fact that gamepads are practically all over the place ala PS360 pads? Its not even as if they are like one frame links or something. Which is why i posted the Link vid AS AN EXAMPLE. Combos like that which are relatively easy to preform, but require an itsy bitsy sum of knowledge of the system. Meaning, you won't have to press different directions violently and insanely quick in order to preform a decent combo.
.4 Like i said, being close minded won't get anyone anywhere, creating ways around the system like making a new item has already been proven false. Why? Because is Restricts you from a part of the game, no creative license, and the fact that if the input would still be A+B, than making a new item would be unnecessary.
Lemme explain something to you Nindo:
Final smashes give you WAY more of advantage than the system does. The fact that they are unblockable makes this part of my argument speak for itself. If someone uses the combo function, however, the other player has a chance to runaway, and use those tricks koopaul stated in the first post of his argument. Not only that, put the player is not invineble, so you have a chance to fight back. NOT ONLY THAT BUT when you have a smash ball, the other player wil be more inclined to running away anyway. Meaning that you are gonna have to find a way to land that combo, or use your final smash, which is the meat of my whole items argument. I don't what precision as i have stated in my other post. I wanted it to have somewhat of a learning curve so it wouldn't potentially ruin the game, and yet still be fun.
The point is is that, i actually thought about what they said in great detail and stated in (suprise!) my other post why they wouldn't work.
Item argument=null and void.
Why? See previous page for full analasys on why.
A little spoiler on whats to come as you read that post. Restriction and choice
Gauge=null and void
Why? Though this would fix most if not all of the problems, this would bring it closer to street fighter than i am sure most people would want it to be.
Own Zone=null and void
Why? Because your putting limitation on something that would be better with no restrictions anyway.
In other words. Your putting limitation on creativity.
These are my views on the middle ground. They bring unnecessary issues that i would personally like to avoid the first time around.
Point of the system: To give the player a chance to be truly creative.
What i would like to avoid:
-unnecessary items that cause more problems in the long run. Yanno, giving the player the freedom of choice?
-Gauge systems that contradict what exactly what people don't want in smash bros.
-Limitations on creativity
-broken combo system
-too hard to preform a decent combo.
-too easy to preform a decent combo.
These seem to be the points everyone seems to avoid when arguing against the system. Or to even, pfft I don't know, try it?
Which is also what i said in (WHAT A SHOCKER) a previous post.
EDIT:
(12-08-2010, 11:29 AM)Deleted Sarcasm Wrote: Of course you wereI'll just add this to the restriction on creativity list.
Heres a few ideas:
Smash ball can allow access to FS or combo
You have only one combo in every game, activated when chosen
Every match has a set target that, when fulfilled, you gain access to the combo (i.e, inflict 100% and knock them off stage to get the combo etc.). This can be either hidden or shown on screen
Perform a combo of 10+ hits (hit ten times with less than half a second (or whatever)) to get it
BTW i=I think we are discussing this on the wrong topic anyway. I believe we should take it to "The Engine" topic.