Farting is not insulting to any specific people. Everybody farts, not just fat people. Hell, I just farted five minutes ago. Who is offended by that aside from the people that think Flatulence Is Disgusting? :I
If a movie treats black people as slaves and is not actually based on a time when slaves existed (or based on the movie at all, nor negatively promotes slavery/racism in any shape or form), it is wrong.
If a movie treats gay people as a sin on mankind, and is not actually based on a storyline where Treating Gays Like Shit Is Wrong, it is wrong!
Just because a story becomes fiction doesn't make it okay-- otherwise, fiction would be a lot worse off than it already is.
You're making this sound like nobody deserves to be offended or that it's not a big deal because "nobody is physically affected"-- when in all truthfulness, male gaze promotes the idea that women are, indeed, sexual objects created only for our gain. It doesn't matter if it's fiction-- it promotes negativity, which is wrong.
Do you, with absolutely no doubt in your heart, think that talking about men getting off to women's bodies is going to feed your argument about how male gaze isn't a bad thing in basic entertainment?
That is sort of the point of male gaze. Women are not supposed to be limited masturbatory aid for men in entertainment, or even in life.
(07-17-2011, 03:46 AM)Koopaul Wrote: Does the male gaze change how men in society treat women?If a movie treats a woman as a sexual object. it is wrong. Regardless of fiction.
Or is this about how women are treated in fiction... who cares? Its not real. As long as we are not treating women like objects in the real world I don't see the problem.
If a movie treats black people as slaves and is not actually based on a time when slaves existed (or based on the movie at all, nor negatively promotes slavery/racism in any shape or form), it is wrong.
If a movie treats gay people as a sin on mankind, and is not actually based on a storyline where Treating Gays Like Shit Is Wrong, it is wrong!
Just because a story becomes fiction doesn't make it okay-- otherwise, fiction would be a lot worse off than it already is.
You're making this sound like nobody deserves to be offended or that it's not a big deal because "nobody is physically affected"-- when in all truthfulness, male gaze promotes the idea that women are, indeed, sexual objects created only for our gain. It doesn't matter if it's fiction-- it promotes negativity, which is wrong.
(07-17-2011, 03:46 AM)Koopaul Wrote: Wait. Masturbation. Women are objects of man's desire in our fantasies. Think about it. Straight men here, I ask you, when you masterbate, do you think about the women as a person? Or do you just think about their body?Did you really just compare masturbation to a woman roles in society?
Does that mean every man who masterbates to the imagery of women are sexist?
Do you, with absolutely no doubt in your heart, think that talking about men getting off to women's bodies is going to feed your argument about how male gaze isn't a bad thing in basic entertainment?
That is sort of the point of male gaze. Women are not supposed to be limited masturbatory aid for men in entertainment, or even in life.
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