05-26-2013, 11:45 PM
Quote:Actually, one last thing about this that's been really bothering me (and please shed some light on this, guys):
hasn't the PC been doing this for years now?
Used game fees? No.
DRM? Yes.
But there is a VERY big difference between PC's DRM and the proposed X1 DRM.
CD Keys are understandable on the PC, especially considering how easy it is to pirate games. But CD keys don't link to a single account that only lets you play games on one single device on one single account. You can install that game under the same CD key at a friend's house and both of you can play that game. Or, in certain cases like Starcraft, you can install it wherever you want (it's not like anybody actually pays attention to ToS agreements, allowed or not) but you can only play on official game servers from one computer at a time per CD key. Single player and LAN are free to play on however many computers you want, and this is totally understandable.
"But what about Steam????? That locks your games to a single account and you have to be online!"
Which is true. Partly.
There's a reason why Steam is so widely used even though it has DRM: it's consumer-friendly.
Steam requires you to only log into a computer once to activate it to use Steam. Once that computer is activated, you can play any of your games on it, online or not, any time you want as long as they're installed. Steam does not require you to phone home every 24 hours (or at all) and it doesn't lock you out of playing games in Offline Mode.
On top of that, you can install your games on any computer you want, and though only one of those computers can be online at any time, so long as your account is logged in (in offline mode), you can play your games on as many computers as you want.
Steam games are also ridiculously cheap during sales, to the point where they're so inexpensive that nobody even really cares about the DRM. Also, no Live paywall.
In short,
Quote:"IT'S JUST LIKE STEAM"
Except the lack of modding.
And the lack of communities that thrive on modding.
And the lack of low prices.
And the lack of control choices.
And the lack of customizable graphics.
And the lack of free online gaming.
And the lack of being able to download demos day one if you don't pay for online gaming.
Quote:Why Steam is better even though the DRM systems are similar:
-You are not locked into buying your PC from Valve.
-You don't pay an extra console tax for PC games.
-Steam has great sales.
-You can upgrade your PC at any time and still play your games.
-You don't pay anything to access Steam.
-Valve has a long history of being pretty good to gamers. Microsoft has a history of being dicks.
-Steam's off-line mode doesn't need to be on the internet every 24 hours.
-Steam does not require Kinect.
-Steam has great sales.
-Steam doesn't discourage game updates the way console makers do.
Not to mention the fact that you're not even required to use Steam to play PC games at all. GoG.com has (many of) the same games Steam does, completely DRM-free. Or you don't have to use any of those at all. That's the thing about an open platform, you have choices. The Xbone? Nope. You're forced to either do things Microsoft's way, or not at all.
So no, PC hasn't really been doing this for years.
Yeah, DRM is a thing, but not like this.
This is blatantly anti-consumer.
edit: I really don't mean to defend the Xbox One, but if you're gonna go on a crusade, at least get your facts straight. Lexou, I know you didn't write that post above, but if you guys repost it, please don't allow this part to spread:
Quote:I’m not quite done yet! Now, I’m sure you heard a lot about “TV TV TV TV SPORTS TV TV SPORTS SPORTS TV.” Yes, the Xbox is slated to be able to stream live tv, live sports, etc. So let me ask you this. You obviously already have something like cable or DirecTV. Do you really want to shell out hundreds of dollars more and pay a monthly subscription fee to have another television provider? Yes, I said hundreds of dollars, and I don’t mean the cost of the console. To view live TV from the Xbox you are required to purchase ANOTHER separate device for it to work. Why would you even consider shelling out more money for something you already have anyway? Even if you didn’t, DirecTV is cheaper. Or you could even subscribe you Hulu.com and watch live tv on your computer. FOR MUCH CHEAPER. You essentially have to buy another cable box if you don’t have one. And if you do… what do you need the Xbox One for?
Source: http://www.vg247.com/2013/05/21/xbox-one...te-device/
As I posted here: http://www.spriters-resource.com/communi...#pid514967
You don't have to have a separate device. The Xbone will most likely use the cable box/DVR that -you already have- and simply pass the signal through to the TV. The post complains that you shouldn't buy the service and get DirecTV instead, but the way it's gonna work... that's what you'd be doing anyway?????