Kelvin Shadewing's Pixels

[Kelvin]

OK, I'm trying not to lose my temper right now, so I'm going to attempt to explain this thread according to my point of view so you guys can see why I'm so frustrated.

For a dragon to fly properly with membrane wings (in contrast to feathered wings like a bird), it needs a propatagium. This is an area on the anterior side of the elbow that is significant in flight speed, turning and landing, similar in purpose to but separate from the alula on an avian wing.

Advice for drawing a wing that I thanked both verbally and with the thank button.

But, to clarify, shadewings are not dragons; they're just related to them. They're more feline in body shape.

Simple clarification that shadewings are not dragons. Pointing it out very clearly.

It is more down to the wing design rather than what the base creature is... We could have a long conversation on what is a dragon and what isn't as there is no clearly defined dragon base! But it is down to what the creator pictures it as.

Oh, I wasn't arguing or anything; it's just a common misconception that shadewings are dragons.

Redeclaring shadewings are not dragons and pointing out that I'm not trying to argue.

I mean, for all intents and purposes, Shadewings are dragons because that's the thing with which they are most identifiable.

Saying they're dragons immediately after I said they weren't.

I'm saying that it's an uninitiated person's first response to consider them as dragons purely at face-value... I'm not saying that they are dragons,

If Sketch was referring to Silversea's misconception, I thought we'd already gotten over with that, so there shouldn't have been a need to bring it up at all. And if he's talking about himself, there's no way he could have been uninformed because just a few posts above and on the same page, I pointed out twice that they are not dragons. Also, he just said they were dragons, and then said he didn't say that.

Whether Shadewings are technically dragons or cats or emperor penguins is irrelevant. They borrow features from several creatures, so those features should be anatomically correct. Griffons are not technically eagles or lions, but this is not an excuse to disregard avian and feline anatomy when drawing them.

I know they borrow features from multiple species. That's the very point I was trying to make, that just because they have features in common doesn't mean they are dragons. Also, he says it's no excuse to disregard anatomy, but as I mentioned about several posts ago, I'd already thanked and accepted advice about anatomy, and in the immediately previous post, I'd made an attempt at fixing the anatomical error.

So for all this, it seems like people are reading what I say selectively and ignoring the rest. Points that I've made repeatedly are dismissed, and then I'm treated like I'm the one dismissing people's advice when all I'm trying to do is clarify a detail that for some reason has become a huge subject of debate.

Bottom line: I am not avoiding anyone's advice, shadewings are not dragons, and I was not disregarding anatomy; I just drew it wrong because I'm not a good artist.



Now, in response to Sketch's last post, the head right next to the ? is probably the closest to what I was going for. I'm practicing drawing outside of pixel art again, so I'm going to put together a multi-view reference sheet when I can. This should clear up the head shape if I can do it right, though I've also got an older pic of a shadewing's head:

It's a much older piece, so ignore the horn; they don't have those anymore since I couldn't find a reason to keep it, and it was just decorative at first. The mane now goes down to where the horn was. The ears are also smaller than I'd intended.