TSR's Super Smash Bros Thread|SWITCH HYPE TRAIN NOW BOARDING

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I'm not saying Dragon Quest isn't a major franchise, though.

I'm saying it's not Final Fantasy. It's never going to be. As much depth as there might be to Dragon Quest, and as awesome as its characters could be, and as influential as the franchise has been on its genre, it's pretty much always going to be in Final Fantasy's shadow. None of its protagonists will be able to hold a candle to Cloud, because Cloud is really the first video game protagonist to be taken seriously. FF7 didn't make waves when it launched; it made tsunamis.

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Also true just on the fact that literally no one would know who Roy was if it wasn't for Smash Bros. If I'm not mistaken, his first appearance in a US release was Fire Emblem Awakening.

You're again comparing a Nintendo-owned property to an outside property. In this case, Roy and Marth were included in Smash Bros. for marketing purposes: Roy for his own game in Japan (which was a stipulation, actually--Sakurai had to include Roy if he wanted Marth, or IS wouldn't allow it), and the duo to strike up interest in the United States.

If we compare legacy-for-legacy, most of the Nintendo characters should be replaced with Frogger, Bomberman, Belmont, Earthworm Jim, Crash Bandicoot, Lara Croft, Master Chief, and Spyro... but it is still a Nintendo celebration first, and an industry celebration second.

I'm talking about Dragon Quest man. Whether or not its a Nintendo character at this point is irrelevant because this is about Cloud in Smash, and you said that the casual market wouldn't recognize something so it wouldn't work. Literally no one knew who Roy was. Going by the same criteria, there's very few kids who knew what MegaMan was until he was announced in Smash. Duck Hunt is only notable for pissing people off and the light gun.

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Nah. If they wanted to add a Dragon Quest person, why not? It just sounds like Koh's argument is that a DQ character should be added instead of Cloud, which I disagree with.

Ah, in that case, I find it stranger that they didn't but by all means, throw Cloud in there.