(Another) Zelda Ripping Project!

[JamesO2]

The comment "Uhmm...? It does extract them correctly with png extension" comes off kind of presumptuousness/passive aggressive, and I don't appreciate that.

That's not what I intended. I seriously feel encouraged to help you out. 
So when I heard something didn't work exactly as on my pc I was literally confused like; "Uuhmm.. how? It should work correctly?..."
Might have worded that wrongly, but it's pretty funny to hear once more that I come across passive aggressive.
I've heard that on multiple occasions on different forums.. 

I feel like you took my list as some sort of disparaging comment against these utilities.

No, not at all. I felt no emotion whatsoever during the process of replying to you. I did disagree with some of the statements.
The archive extraction being disabled upon scenes is something you that you were correct about.
It's something I completely forgot about, but checked out right away after commenting.

Thanks for clearing that up. I must have misinterpreted your comment. I'm not upset about it, but I just wanted to be direct and address the matter in case there was an issue. Anyway, I'm sorry that you get that interpretation on other forums too.

I wanna say one more thing about N3DSCmbViewer, and that is that you should see the size difference between dae and fbx from cmb import into blender.
The dae files have some sort of fault in them that causes every node of the meshes to be duplicated in vertices. I mentioned this sometime ago on the models section, but I feel like I should tell everyone once more. It's really not good at all:

hairal_niwa_n zsi    320 kb original
hairal_niwa_n dae  498 kb 3dscmbviewer
hairal_niwa_n fbx   112 kb cmbimport

That is a huge difference. And this is on a small environment. Imagine this difference on an entire dungeon. Hell maybe using all of the files for larger projects. I'd get way too large.

Good point, I noticed this too. One more little quirk to add to the list.



Fortunately, Blender has a really easy way to deal with this. You can select all objects of the scene, press TAB to go into edit mode, then select the menu option "Mesh ‣ Clean up ‣ Delete Loose". This should delete all of the duplicate vertices in the file.

Btw, I noticed you disabled file name extensions. I always leave that option on in windows explorer.

No, I have the filename extensions enabled in Windows. I always have this option on too. Re-read what I wrote, and check the image I posted again, you'll see that one of files does have a proper .png and the rest of them don't. This was definitely a weird issue with the M-1 version of the addon. I uninstalled the addon, and reinstalled the MeltyPlayer one, and textures were then packed/unpacked with the proper .png extensions.

I really recommend bulk rename utility though. Takes a few seconds and can rename every extension as well as adding numbers at suffix or prefix of filename.

Nice find. I'll check it out. Currently I use "Advanced Renamer" for bulk file name changing: https://www.advancedrenamer.com/



Both tools look like they have the same features basically, so its really down to personal choice. I like Advanced Renamer because it lets you toggle certain "methods" on or off, and even save presets. But I'll check out the one you mentioned for sure.

EDIT -
I took a look at my plugins for Blender 2.79 and noticed something strange. It's saying I'm using M-1's but I think I might have tricked my Blender.
The folders share the same name, but an older M-1 one is in appdata and the other in Blender install folder. xD
Doesn't matter though, the one from MeltyPlayer is the newer one. That is the one with both of the format support and forked from M-1's to further improve.
Now I now where the confusion came from. It's good to know you finally got the right tool. I'll update my previous post with the newer tool to prevent further confusion.

Haha, yeah I think I did the same thing. I had a version installed in AppData, and in the Blender install folder. I deleted both, and reinstalled the M-1 version by mistake, not knowing it was an "outdated" version. But when both were installed, it caused some weird issues too.



For clarity, I'm gonna refer to the MeltyPlayer version as "OoT3D Importer" from now on, since that's what the title of the Github says. Or maybe "MeltyPlayer's Cmb Blender Addon" or something like that.

EDIT 2 -

There's 11 forks of this program, so I don't know if this is only an issue in the one I downloaded or not. I'm not sure which is the original, or most current version. It looks like most of the forks are just copies without any changes. Is this the original one? https://github.com/xdanieldzd/N3DSCmbViewer I guess it doesn't matter much, since its 7 years old and not maintained anyway.

Yes, and these forks are all identical to xdanieldzd. Probably accidentally forked by people not knowing what they were doing. And he quit the tool a long time ago.
I've heard him say on his YouTube channel that the people in his community were toxic. Constantly bothering him and asking him to continue working on it while he had nothing to gain from it.
Speaking of, I tried to be nice in helping you out. And you started calling me passive aggressive and my reply presumptuous. The latter of which is funny, because you assumed from me I knew which tool you used currently.

But hey, It's fine by me. Let's move on. 

LOL, this part I highlighted here is incredibly passive aggressive. You mention a 3rd party group of other people as toxic, then bring the subject back to me with "speaking of", which insinuates "speaking of toxic people" -- you are putting me in that category of "toxic people" without just directly saying it (passive). Then you follow up with "I tried to be nice" as if to imply I was the "not nice" person in the exchange. That's literally the definition of passive-aggressive behavior, and very uncool to do.



As an example, if I were to say "This group of people are rapists. Speaking of, lets also talk about your behavior." -- there is literally no way to interpret that as anything but a passive aggressive accusation. Like come on. You can't say something like that and then claim that you're the "nice" guy here.



With your last part, you were literally being passive aggressive, and then complaining about me "calling you passive aggressive" in the very next sentence. Come on man, have some self awareness.



Before this, I was willing to take your word in good faith and assume you had no ill intentions. But after that last part, its hard for me to tell what exactly you were trying to achieve. If your goal was to convince anyone that you're not behaving passive-aggressively, doing it in a passive aggressive way is a terrible way to do that achieve that goal. I'm still going to assume your intentions were good, but man that does not read well.

Earlier, I did not "start calling you passive aggressive" -- the direct quote of what I said was "comes off kind of presumptuousness/passive aggressive". The phrasing "comes off" here meaning "You may not have intended it this way, but it appears to be this way from an outside perspective". I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, assuming that wasn't your intention to come off that way, and also leaving room for myself to be wrong.



There's a huge difference between saying "you are passive aggressive" and "that thing you said comes off in a passive aggressive tone". One is a direct accusation, the other merely pointing out my observation of your phrasing.



I'm willing to admit 100% that my observation was wrong about your intentions, but the way you come off definitely reads as passive aggressive whether you intended to or not (especially your last paragraph). I just want to make you aware of that. If I'm not the first person you've heard that from, then there may be a hint of truth to what I'm saying and you might want to reflect on it later to avoid these issues in the future.



Anyway, to be 100% clear: I have nothing against you personally. I just want to clear up any misunderstandings. You've been a HUGE help in figuring a lot of this stuff out (especially the stuff about the vertex coloring a few pages back), and I really appreciate that. Thanks!



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So about the different tools. I've come to realize that you're right about MeltyPlayer OoT3D Blender Importer -- it is definitely the most accurate ripping method (preserves UVs and Vertex RGBA, and imports bones correctly), and probably best method to use overall. My only issue is the LZSS/encoding issue, that it seems to just not be able to read some of the MM3D files. It works great on files it can read though. If that issue were fixed, it would basically be the perfect tool.