Mother

[Cshad]

It's my Mother too : D
Goddamn it Teddy why do you have to be so difficult to sprite, I swear. I also made a Ninten sprite in the brawl style at the top. My only goal for this atm is to have the battle system done and programmed (if I can find someone to do that) by the end of the break.

C+C please?
In order:
Ninten - Loid - Ana - Teddy's head - Pippi - Eve
I'll post a long list of stuff I plan to change in the game later (as there is a lot).

EDIT: If this wasn't clear, this is another attempt at my endless tries to remake Eb0. What's different? The fact that the style looks nice and I'm capable of doing everything like this :E

[Dave]

Wow, nice work with the upper ones, me like
And the lower ones are...kinda laking the colors, you know the colors that game it that feeling of Mother.

[tsr moderation staff]

pretty much what he said. they're also kind of blocky. the only one that really jumps out at me is eve

[Cshad]

Idk what you guys mean by the colors exactly, each Mother game had a dramatic skip in the kind of colors, and how they used the colors in each game. But, I tried to make my colors look more like Mother 3's. I purpled the reds, paled the pinks, and dulled the yellows. Eve got more purple, but I'm thinking of changing it back to the color in the previous post. I tried out a highlight on Lloid's hair to see how it looks, I'll probably end up removing it if no one says otherwise.
Tried making everyone less blocky
Original Ninten colors are in the first block, everyone else has the most recent colors. I'm having trouble getting a red-brown pallet for Pippy's hair. Anyone is open to edit this, especially if you think you can do better than what I'm doing right now.


I gave Ninten more shoulders, but I left Lloyd's hands the same. Until I figure out what kind of stance to give him to separate him from everyone else, I think it should stay this way, or even be his default.

Again, feel free to edit.

[Ton]

Looking good, man. I'm loving EVE.

[Cshad]

Messing around with the battle system. I don't want to make it exactly like the Mother 3 battle system, but that may be the best one to use. I made edits to everyone again and again and again. I edited everyone's colors. It should look pretty good now.

Those who care should read this. I need an opinion on what to do with Lloyd.

PSI/Lloyd Page Stretcher

Healing PSI

Healing PSI

5 Life Up α

60–70 hp restored

Ninten

8 Life Up β

125-150 hp restored

Ninten,Ana

12 Life Up γ

Restores all hp to single ally

Ninten, Ana

20 Life Up Ω

200-250 hp restored to all allies

Ninten

3 Healing α

Heals one ailment

Ninten, Ana

6 Healing β

Heals two or more ailments

Ninten, Ana

18 Healing γ

B + death

Ninten

24 Healing Ω

Healing Y for all allies

Ninten

0 PSI Magnet α

8-10 pp stolen from 1 enemy

Ana

0 PSI Magnet Ω

8-10 pp stolen from all enemies

Ana

PP – PSI Name – To be used by

More often than not Ana would always be the first to die, whether it was her crappy defense, or lack of HP. Ninten was better fit for the job of healing because he was buffer and had quite a bit more HP. With Mother having revamped their battle system it seems useless to give Ana all the healing and assist PSI Ninten had because one hit won’t kill you, and even if it does, the HP scrolls, so you have a chance to save them before they die. The scrolling system makes the game easier, so why give it all to her?

Assist PSI

Assist PSI

6 Shield α

Halves physical damage for one ally

Ninten

18 Shield Ώ

Shield α to all allies

Ninten

8 PSI Shield α

Halves PSI damage for one ally

Ninten

24 PSI Shield Ώ

PSI Shield α to all allies

Ninten

12 Power Shield

Reflects 50% physical damage for one ally

Ninten

24 Power Shield Ώ

Reflects 50% physical damage for all allies

Ninten

16 PSI Counter

Reflects 50% PSI damage

Ninten

32 PSI Counter Ώ

Reflects 50% PSI damage

Ninten

6 Offense Up α

Raises one allies’ offense

Ninten

18 Offense Up Ώ

Raises all allies’ offense

Ninten

6 Defense Up α

Raises one allies’ defense

Ninten

18 Defense Up Ώ

Raises all allies defense’

Ninten

? Quick Up Unnecessary?

6 Offense Down α

Lowers offense of one enemy

Ana

18 Offense Down Ώ

Lowers all enemies offense

Ana

6 Defense Down α

Lowers defense of one enemy

Ana

18 Defense Down Ώ

Lowers defense of all enemies

Ana

7 Brainshock α

Makes one enemy feel strange

Ana

21 Brainshock Ώ

Makes all enemies feel strange

Ana

7 Hypnosis α

Puts one enemy to sleep

Ana

21 Hypnosis Ώ

Puts all enemies to sleep

Ana

7 Paralysis α

Paralyzes one enemy

Ana

21 Paralysis Ώ

Paralyzes all enemies

Ana

In the original Ana learned all the status and the shields while Ninten got the buffs and de-buffs and the shields/counters. Again, I divided it up to try to make it a bit more equal. Ninten got all the buffs, shields, and counters, Ana received all the status and de-buffs. It seemed kinda useless to give Ana all the shields and status when Ninten pretty much learned them by the time you meet Ana in Snowman.

I didn’t want to give Ninten all the buffs and de-buffs because it seemed like too much for one person to do. Generally everyone should spend the first few turns altering stats and then go on the offensive and with all the stat alter-ers with him it seems like he wouldn’t have any time to really attack the opponent, which would be bad because Ninten is the strongest physically for most of the game. Why didn’t this affect the original game? Because the de buffs were almost useless :E

Taking a look, I added some assist psi from Mother 3 that just seem to fit pretty well. I added Ώ versions of the Power shield and Offense up as well as PSI counters that weren’t in the original game.

Offensive PSI

Offensive PSI

10 PK SPECIAL α

130 - 150 null damage to all enemies

Ninten

20 PK SPECIAL β

230 – 250 null damage to all enemies

Ninten

30 PK SPECIAL γ

450 – 480 null damage to all enemies

Ninten

50 PK SPECIAL Ώ

830 – 850 null damage to all enemies

Ninten

10 PK Flash

Status effects to all enemies

Ninten

- Crying

- Paralysis

- Puzzled

- Confused

- Burn

- Nothing

8 PK Beam α

130 – 150 null damage to one enemy

Ana

16 PK Beam β

230 – 250 null damage to one enemy

Ana

24 PK Beam γ

450– 480 null damage to one enemy

Ana

50 PK Beam Ώ

650 – 680 null damage to one (all?) enemy

Ana

6 PK Fire α

60 – 80 PSI fire damage to all enemies

Ana

12 PK Fire β

120 – 140 PSI fire damage to all enemies

Ana

20 PK Fire γ

200 – 260 PSI fire damage to all enemies

Ana

40 PK Fire Ώ

280 – 380 PSI fire damage to all enemies

Ana

5 PK Freeze α

120 – 140 PSI freeze damage to one enemy

Ana

10 PK Freeze β

230 – 250 PSI freeze damage to one enemy

Ana

18 PK Freeze γ

320 – 350 PSI freeze damage to one enemy

Ana

28 PK Freeze Ώ

450 – 480 PSI freeze damage to one enemy

Ana

7 PK Thunder α

120 – 150 PSI thunder damage

Ana

14 PK Thunder β

Two shots of PK thunder α

Ana

21 PK Thunder γ

Three shots of PK thunder α

Ana

35 PK Thunder Ώ

Four shots of PK thunder α

Ana

So the PSI damage output has increased so that the damage given will actually be useful early in the game. Ninten will continue the trend Mother 2 and 3 set with PK Special and PK flash being the only offensive PSI he receives. I tried to make PK Beam like a one shot version of PK Special since PK Beam is the Star storm of this game. It’s pretty self explanatory, the damage given is similar to the output from Mother 3 and the effects of the attacks are all the same.

Names for Ninten’s PK SPECIAL would be nice. All the guides/books/mangas written about this game have him obsessed with baseball and war related things if that helps. The best I could come up with was PK Recoil and that…sucks :E

If I should replace PK Beam with Starstorm and just have the Franklin Badge reflect PK Thunder like in the other ones just make that suggestion. I kinda like it reflecting PK Beam rather than PK Thunder though, since there wasn’t really an attack in the game that was important to the plot.

Lloyd

OK. So who knows something about Lloyd/Loid?

No one?

Really?

Lloyd was pretty much the alpha/beta Jeff. He was the tools-y guy who was supposed to fix machines and give you an edge with his bottle rockets/bombs/super bombs. What’s the problem? He didn’t really add anything. He added an extra PK Null/Fire user with the Plasma Beam and the Flamethrowers, but he didn’t really get any devices that actually proved useful in the game. At the end of the game he was just a weaker Ninten that could use crappy PK Fire items that Ana pulled off better.

So, the goal with him is to improve the items he got an add some more.
Looking at Mother 3 and experimenting with the Super Bomb, it looks like the bombs do a set amount of damage and the number set is the percentage of the damage it takes (so like, X multiplied by the set resistance/super effective number thing. Like, 474x.5 = 237. More than likely its 500 and the set damage is within 10 percent, but that’s the number I got against King Porky and The NK Cyborg). I tried it out on a few bosses I had in a save state. I could have figured this out by guessing or asking around but I just wanted to make sure.

So,

Bombs

Will not be discussed here, but that’s something to keep in mind, no?

Lloyd only got on item for permanent use, and that was the Sticky Machine. My idea for his icon would be for it to have all the non one/set amount use items stored there that he either comes with or that you can buy throughout the game. Here are a few ideas for items for him;
Check Book
Just the basic idea, I don’t know what to call it. I’m thinking it could be an extension of the GGF’s diary that kept information on all the aliens that George witnessed while upon the ship, as well as information on enemies that attacked him when he arrived on Earth. You would probably find this in Magicant from one of the Swimming cats. It’s basically the “Sniff” of the game.

Sticky Machine
It’s like the item rope, but it’s reusable. It ties up the enemy making it helpless, same status effect as paralyzed. Enemies inflicted with this lose the sticky effect after the first few turns.

Smoke Grenade
Well, I thought it would be interesting to give Lloyd a tear gas like weapon, especially since he’s obsessed with explosives. It causes crying when thrown at an enemy. I thought this would be useful since it gives Lloyd more utility than just throwing bombs.

Shield Killer
Shield-off was PSI that Ana could originally learn in Earthbound Zero. I thought it would be a good opportunity to give Lloyd the Shield Killer instead of Ana learning Shield-off. The Shield Killer removes all shields and counters that the enemy has up. This will make killing some enemies faster, as a lot of enemies that were paired together in Earthbound Zero supported each other.

PSI Block-er
I don’t know what to call it but this was another PSI move that Ana had that would be perfect for Lloyd. Some of the most dangerous enemies in the game could use PSI and physical attacks. It would make the game a lot easier, when say, 3-5 enemies that can use both PSI and Physical attacks show up. PSI block machine would also make it so enemies could not counter your stat buffs or de-buffs. It only applies to one enemy, it only lasts a few turns, and like all the other machines/devices it will higher/lower chances of failing depending on the enemy.

This could also prove extremely useful just as it did in the original game. Enemies that could only use PSI or had really weak physical attacks let Ana refuel if there wasn’t a resting point nearby. This was also useful in scaling Mt. Itoi where Ana’s PSI was extremely useful.
Hp Sucker Jeff’s item from Mother 2. I thought it would be cool to have this. The trek through Duncan’s Factory was extremely long and it was hard to keep everyone alive. Ninten can save PSI with Lloyd being able to support himself with the HP Sucker. But, it would probably be useless against enemies with attacks that hit everyone. Oh well, it’s still fun to use.

Time Machine
This item was unused but more than likely meant to be another gag item sold by the Twinkle Elementary Science Fund-raiser person. Although not an item to be used by Lloyd, if you buy this, it will instantly explode on you. This will be the only item he will ask for back, later in the game after say the 5th or 6th melody, the Elementary Fund-raiser scientist will claim to have fixed the machine and gone to the past and future to bring you items to help you on your quest.

Real Rocket
Gag item sold by the Twinkle Elementary Scientist, it shot off into outer space as soon as you bought it.

Last Weapon
The original last weapon was a gag item that told you how to power off your NES.

So, I haven’t figured out all of the items to fit into his little skill icon yet. I haven’t figured out all the items to be brought back from the time machine, I haven’t figured everything out yet. All suggestions are welcome, on anything in this document really. If you have any ideas for any items that he should use (note, not items like defense spray or insecticide :V) for his icon please let me post. I also need ideas for the Last Weapon and Real Rocket, items that Lloyd can actually use later in the game. Again, help please~

[Locked Achievement]

is ness wearing a... bra???

awesome sprites though!

[Gors]

lol @ Kumataro

aside from that, I don't think that putting the odometers on the screen's side is a good idea, because it doesn't give that feeling of 'you're facing the enemy'.

[Solink]

is ness wearing a... bra???

awesome sprites though!

What?
that's Ninten not Ness
He's wearing a scarf

[Gors]

a scarf that looks like a bra

[Rockman64]

nice sprites of mother

[Doctor._.Faggot]

I personally don't like the zipper in the 'robot' one on the top right, I think it just doesn't fit in.

Besides that this is great, by great I mean you actually took your time and it was not a crappy 5-minute edit....

Doctordistinguished gentleman