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[GrooveMan.exe]

Clothing folds are really not that hard. Because your body has form (skeleton or not) cloth will snag and hang off your form, but because cloth is flowing and yet not slack, it'll tend to fold, not sag or droop. The times where it wouldn't is if it was way too large for the frame (and you wouldn't wear ill-fitting clothing - not in public, anyway), or it's not made from a cloth-like material (And I'm not talking leather or lycra, either).

Let's look at a pretty picture, shall we?


This well-dressed gentleman is wearing drainpipe-cut jeans. Not exactly skinny jeans, but who gives a shit. Here he's standing up, without his knees bent. And yet, look at the folds around his knees! You can't see the bone structure, but the way the clothes 'hang' off his frame show you that everything's in the right place. Look at how the cloth creases up as it meets his shoes, too.

http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-01/dis-vyers1.html
Now this is far more cartoony. No one can be this thin in real life. The jeans are also pretty tight. And yet, there are folds.

http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-04/...-monk.html
Now not only is this guy cartoony, he's on super-deformed proportions. Look at his Gi, the cloth sags and folds in regerds to his belt, but because it's made of cut cloth, the base of it hangs and still maintains shape. It's loose, but it doesn't look like it's made of Silly Putty. Interestingly, the knee placement isn't as obvious here. But that's because the trousers are so baggy, the form of the legs are lost; which is a very different situation.

Edit: Whoops, hotlinking issues. Fixed the links.

[Mabelma]

and there are knees, as vague as it is.

Nope sorry, saying that he has knees doesn't magically make him have knees.

I actually circled the point where the angle changes in the legs, and have already said i would make it more obvious, but i feel that now you're trying to just keep an argument going in order to make it look like a win for yourself.

Also i ignored that post because i again, have said i would fix anatomy issues, and pointed out the mistake i made when reading peoples posts.

It would be much easier for you to give criticism if you paid attention to much of what i had said, right?

Sadly kid, you are not getting any of the fucking critics the right way. People have knees and the knees don't bend like that. You're poses are way too fucked up to actually work and well you're starting to get annoying but back to your work. Learn anatomy before actually trying to apply it. That wireframe of yours is not right, things don't bend like curves, the bones bend like sudden points rather than curves. Here's a wireframe and some clothing stuff so you can actually move on and finish this. Keep in mind that this was done rather rapidly and that it still has some problems but it should help you fix your anatomy, posing and clothes problem.

The clothes are not folding around my wireframe, they are folding around your sprite so there's a lot of room for errors.

[2+D]

A very nice way to show it.

[GrooveMan.exe]

Oh wow, that's some goddamn solid advice there, Mabelma. The clothes fold in the right places and everything.

[Mabelma]

Oh wow, that's some goddamn solid advice there, Mabelma. The clothes fold in the right places and everything.

Are you fucking with me or somethign? Come on, even 1up thanked the post. Naw, I couldn't have done it right. Did I? I suck at anatomy and folds and I did it right? It must have been how annoyed I was by the OP. Hey OP annoy me some more so I can succeed in art.

[GrooveMan.exe]

Ahahahaha. No seriously, you've improved quite a bit. Good job. =)

[Mabelma]

Ahahahaha. No seriously, you've improved quite a bit. Good job. =)

Ain't that nice, well thank you Mister Groovy. I no longer am annoyed. Was this a cool thread. Hopefully the OP can shut up now and actually fix stuff without arguing.

[Gors]

I remember when you sucked balls, Mabelma.

I see now that you've improved a lot. Congratulations and keep it up!

[Mabelma]

I remember when you sucked balls, Mabelma.

I see now that you've improved a lot. Congratulations and keep it up!

Hahahaha, thanks Gors. I too remember that and it actually wasn't long ago.

[DioShiba]

I remember when you sucked balls, Mabelma.

I see now that you've improved a lot. Congratulations and keep it up!

indeed, Mabelma I must say you have earned my respect over time.

[Mabelma]

I remember when you sucked balls, Mabelma.

I see now that you've improved a lot. Congratulations and keep it up!

indeed, Mabelma I must say you have earned my respect over time.

Well actually, it's an honor. I hope to become better as time passes. Thanks for the up-rep and thanks to 1up too I never though I could get an up-rep out of him.