what can be improved on the next Super Smash Bros

[DioShiba]

Well like I said before, Brawl is not perfect, but neither was Melee.

But they were both still good games. What I don't understand is why the bashers think Brawl is a "bad game"

Even with all these trivial complaints, the game was still very good. But no one can admit that. Its like everyone was expecting it to be perfect, and because it wasn't, they hate it.

Well the game had many wonderful new characters, stages and more. Even with all its flaws I was pretty happy.

Why isn't anyone else? I mean there's nothing wrong in trying to fix those flaws, or improve upon things, but some of you act like the game was pure shit. Which I cannot understand.

So the question is not why do you think Melee is better than Brawl, the question is why do you think Brawl was pure shit?

I never stated that Brawl was "pure shit" to begin with, I said that brawl wasn't as great as melee was.

I stated that Brawl is crap when compared to Melee when it came out in 2001 Because melee provided almost everything you can do. Brawl on the other hand, did not

No one was happy on how Brawl came out in the end because Sakurai couldn't at least add in a little more to Brawl then it is.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed brawl, but I did not enjoy it like I had with melee.

[Koopaul]

Er. Okay, I can understand that. Sorry.

I didn't mean that you specifically hate Brawl. Just I've been around some people who do nothing but complain about the game.

Let the topic continue!

[Solink]

More Lil' Mac and Mewtwo(seriously, why did the take him out)
Better movesets
originals final smash
No kirby-like adventure mode

[Feste]

Well Brawl was a good game, but alot of things could be changed they should bring back melee characters that were good (not Dr. Mario), give them different moves it actually is not that hard. Give different moves to minor altered clones (you know toon link could have hurricane spin) and wtf with clone final smashes Link (Ok) Toon Link (change to some WW type) Ike (ummm the whole center then down doesnt change the fact its just like Link's), also no useless or overpowered FS like marth, a 1-hit ko FS really are they serious.?

But the tripping is ok but for it to barely happen and here's the reason why, I was playing with my cousin he was Ike w/ FS he uses it Im link then I trip and Great Aether atempt failure.

Edit: no, tripping is useless side step gives Great Aether an instant failure also

[Ark Kuvis]

Nostalgiaaaaa?

oh man, they should make cool little character exclusive minigames too. Like, for Mario or Link, you'll be doing those cool Dungeon Crawling/Platforming stuff like in Melee Adventure mode.

Then you play as Fox/Falco, you're shooting up bad guys in a space shooter like section. Only, you'll be flying through Nintendo Sci Fi levels like Pikmin and Metroid. Capt. Falcon (or Goroh if he's in) could have something like a racing game. Marth and Ike could have this stratagy thing going on where you'd move around a map, and then when you get into a battle, you fight on like a Final Destinationish platform.

For DK and Diddy, you'd get this nice little Donkey Konga esque minigame. Maybe with Yoshi they could do this thing where you got to protect the Super Happy Tree from the giant Baby Bowser like in Yoshi's Island or something. Wario would have a full set of Microgames relating to Smash Characters and jokes and stuff. Like, you'll have five seconds to press counter or something. Sorta like 9-Volt's minigames in Wario Ware Inc but not really.

Samus would have to escape Brinstar, but ZSS would be like that too, but it'd be harder because you'd be more vunerable or something. I dunno. All these minigames will have to be wild and wacky and give off a ton of fanservice. Yet, still be extras. Not Mario Party 9 Feat. Solid Snake.

and then you give the roster Little Mac and Saki and Samurai Goroh or Deoxys or something cool. I'd like to say add Ryu from Street Fighter but I know Tyvon would rage because Smash isn't a real fighter. But Ryu would have the best minigame of them all. He'd just punch a car a lot and it would be /awesome/.

Add cool stages like Shadow Mosus Island only not caved in, Green Hill Zone with Bridge Zone music and not always falling apart on you, an actually good version of Mute City. Annnnd a couple of Kirby Stages (Halberd would return of course). and don't ever EVER give us something like 75m ever again. I can stand Mario Bros. But god damn it 75m could've been an actually good DK stage, with actual rareway covers and shit.

Also, this might seem stupid, but add Pokemon Mysterious Dungeon to the next Smash. Fuck, the music from that game was amazing.

Rhythm Heaven stage, of course.

Also, those cool little bonuses they had in both N64 and Melee were kinda cool. Made Classic Mode more fun. I mean as much as I like to hear "Metal Zero Suit Samus" or "Giant Ice Climbers" like, it was cool with all the little bonuses you'd tally up. Like "Yoshi Rainbow" or "Really Cool Friend" or "Fighters Stance!!!" I don't know why they were removed either. Because the Masterpieces section eh? eh?

and tripping is lame, but I think Banana Peel should still be able to trip people.

Man remember when Koopaul was pissed because the Banana Peel didn't have the DK emblem on it? Hahaha man the Dojo is the best site ever.

oh, and before someone says remove Fludd from Mario, god damn it it might be situational, but the Fludd can still do shit. I was once playing against this chick I know, and she was throwing turnips and I was all "bukake" and I soaked her and then I was all "F-Smash" and I won. Thanks, Fludd.

Mario is a cool character. Don't give a fuck about Tier Lists. They can cape my ass.

[Vipershark]

also isaac for playable character

[Ape Overlord]

Call me back when they add Ridley, then we'll talk from there

[[robo9]]

How bout some characters from an actual Nintendo fighting game? Lil Mac? How bout Sukapon? A sticjer aint enough for the main character of Nintendo's 1st fightin game! Oh yeah, and the Pokemon Trainer needs to be less crap. Why not be able to choose his pokemon, if atleast from the 1-4 generation starters....Well,1-3, I don't think 4s, other than the fire Chimchar's line, are fighting game fit. They should also make Mr. G&W's sounds the same as Melee's.....Brawl's sounds for him suck anus. And you know what, they should bring back Pichu.I can no longer taunt my crappy ass friend at Smash Bros by hurting myself with thunder over and over, or having that extra long Skullbash to leet him when he is using a hammer. Oh, and sukapon

[DioShiba]

They should also make Mr. G&W's sounds the same as Melee's.....Brawl's sounds for him suck anus.

There the same sounds

and can't you guys think of anything else aside from new characters or stages?

[[robo9]]

They should also make Mr. G&W's sounds the same as Melee's.....Brawl's sounds for him suck anus.

There the same sounds

and can't you guys think of anything else aside from new characters or stages?

Actually some are, but they replaced some, such as his A move and his walk sound different.

[Cobalt Blue]

Add tetris as a character.

[Ape Overlord]

They should also make Mr. G&W's sounds the same as Melee's.....Brawl's sounds for him suck anus.

There the same sounds

and can't you guys think of anything else aside from new characters or stages?

Obviously you underestimate the Ridley fans.

And no, aside from characters and stages, Brawl's other features are top notch man.

The main issue was that we expected 40ish characters, but we only got a 35 spot roster.

Even when we add it all up we get...

39

fff one more number and it would have been 40, that character should have been Rodley!

Okay okay, jking

I think they could work on the my music ass-pect.

[Ngamer01]

SkyTown (MP 3) better be one of the Metroid stages in the next game. Hell the Sanctuary Fortress at least (MP 2). And as for Dark Samus, I don't want her as playable -- maybe as an Assist Trophy or an alternate color scheme/costume for Samus though.

[Koopaul]

Okay how 'bout some mechanics?

-Certain characters can't swim. Sonic and Charizard only stay surfaced for a half a second before drowning. Characters like Squirtle can't drown.

-Link and Samus can tether recover even after using their B Up move.

[DioShiba]

Obviously you underestimate the Ridley fans.

And no, aside from characters and stages, Brawl's other features are top notch man.

The main issue was that we expected 40ish characters, but we only got a 35 spot roster.

Even when we add it all up we get...

39

Umm, since when the fuck was I underestimating anything?

Now to the point, I only said lets not discuss anything about new characters and stages so we don't overload the thread with a bunch of new characters in specific, that usually ends up in a bunch of pointless arguments whether or not that certain character should be in.

That issue aside, it'd be kind of obvious that we are going to get more characters in the next game even if brawl didn't meet what expectations for what characters the fans wanted to be in the game or what the number of characters should have been.

Now please, think about what someone is stating before you post, you bloody Nsider.