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First SOPA, now NDAA - Altrez - 01-05-2012

So I just stumbled on the new NDAA, which is getting a lot of negative buzz on these two sections that cover indefinite detention without trial and military custody.

Here are the sections, I bolded what I think are the controversial parts:

Full bill: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h112-1540

Wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization_Act_for_Fiscal_Year_2012

Others:
http://digitaljournal.com/article/317209

http://www.businessinsider.com/ndaa-outrage-continues-to-grow-online-2012-1

Because 'other foreign entity' sounds like guantanamo bay to me, but later it says US citizens won't be required to be held in military custody.

I'm trying to make sense of this. What do you guys think?


Edit: “The only provision from which U.S. citizens are exempted here is the“requirement” of military detention,” Greenwald writes. “For foreign nationals accused of being members of Al Qaeda, military detention is mandatory; for U.S. citizens, it is optional. This section does not exempt U.S citizens from the presidential power of military detention: only from the requirement of military detention.”

http://www.salon.com/2011/12/16/three_myths_about_the_detention_bill/singleton/



RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Altrez - 01-21-2012

So during all of this buzz about PIPA and SOPA (which DO need to be stopped), there's also this act sneaking in now:

The Enemy Expatriation Act:

This will give them the authority to strip you of american citizenship if it's passed.

Combined with the NDAA (which is already in effect), this means pretty much anybody that gets in the governments way can be indefinitely detained without trial and moved to any foreign entity until the end of the conflict.

http://digitaljournal.com/article/317977
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h112-3166


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - DioShiba - 01-21-2012

at first I thought this had to do with the internet until I realized it had to do with 9/11 and terrorists.

It's hard for me to understand how this is controversial since I lack knowledge in how counter terrorism in the US works, aside from airports.


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Cshad - 01-21-2012

(01-21-2012, 10:17 PM)DioShiba Wrote: at first I thought this had to do with the internet until I realized it had to do with 9/11 and terrorists.

It's hard for me to understand how this is controversial since I lack knowledge in how counter terrorism in the US works, aside from airports.

From what I understand it's more bills that allow the government to execute/jail/whatever to whoever they want under the guise that they're a terrorist


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Belial - 01-22-2012

Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome to martial law.


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - LauriJ - 01-24-2012

Is SOPA really that big of a deal?


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Kriven - 01-24-2012

(01-24-2012, 10:46 AM)Alisbet Wrote: Is SOPA really that big of a deal?

Yes.


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Alpha Six - 01-24-2012

(01-24-2012, 10:46 AM)Alisbet Wrote: Is SOPA really that big of a deal?
hahahahahaha




RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Keychain - 01-24-2012

(01-24-2012, 10:46 AM)Alisbet Wrote: Is SOPA really that big of a deal?

You'd have to say goodbye to any sort of freedom you have on the internet. Such as making that post.



RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - ZeldaClassicEXPERT - 02-16-2012

(01-24-2012, 10:46 AM)Alisbet Wrote: Is SOPA really that big of a deal?

Simple yes or no answer yes.

Explained answer:

yes however please do not worry about
http://www.spriters-resource.com/
http://www.sounds-resource.com/
ever being shut down I will edit this post of mine and put in a simple as possible video to explain the legalness of spriters-resource and sounds-resource


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Jay Rockman - 02-17-2012

Obama signed this into law? Sigh.


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Gwen - 02-17-2012

No....


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Jay Rockman - 02-17-2012

(02-17-2012, 01:53 PM)Radular Bastard Wrote: No....
From the Wikipedia page...
Quote:]The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2012[1] was signed into United States law on December 31, 2011 by President Barack Obama,[2][3]

Unless you misunderstood what I said.


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Gwen - 02-17-2012

Oh, you should specify, I assumed you were talking about SOPA.


RE: First SOPA, now NDAA - Jay Rockman - 02-17-2012

Sorry about that!

by the way, your sig is awesome!