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RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - Yawackhary - 07-16-2008
Even though I am not voting due to that I could make a wrong decision and later regret it, I do have a few points despite most of the points already made that I agree with.
While it would help increase the fighting games being ripped around here, it would also make it very lazy as someone could rip from the MUGEN SFF and claim the rip as their own. Also the original creators might have used sheets from another site or may not be ripped properly/complete. I know that my rip of Daffy Duck from Daffy Duck in Hollywood is used as a MUGEN character that was made by someone else so that can be traced, but many other characters get a bit iffy being a grey area and all.
Another thing is that many sprites (not all but some) are frankensteined of famous characters (e.g. Ryu, E.Honda) being used as a base which I am not sure about.
I would say that if the original creators of the custom sprites would submit and indeed well done then that would be the only case I would think of getting accepted (or if someone used the MUGEN engine as a famous Japanese game). Fully agree with Gary's point of being a fan game (even though it is more of an engine that later became a fangame with contraversory). Personally I don't know what to think.
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - Afr0Blu3 - 07-16-2008
I'm against ripping from Mugen. As previously stated, either the characters are counter parts of official fighters, in which case they should be ripped from their original games (ie, Felicia, Gambit etc) - also, to appear in Mugen these characters must have already been ripped once, so I see it as stealing someone else's rips, or they're custom characters and we have no moral right to put them up without the creator's consent. If they want their sprites on tSR, then they'll submit them.
I say we inform people that we accept custom made Mugen character sprites, but only when donated by the original creator.
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - Geo the Fox - 07-16-2008
Hell no. As someone actually making a MUGEN character sheet custom, I would not want my sheet redestributed. It is a form of sprite theft, and just cause it's placed in a sort of game, doesn't make it okay to rip. If the original creators of the sprite sets want their sheet archived, then they can submit it to tSR or another sprite site themselves. That's my 2 bits.
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - Manaphy94 - 07-16-2008
Geo, the "hell no" is a bit inappropriate for now. I dissagree not only because this may lead to sprite theft, but because people will start thinking they can submit their "made-up" characters and will lead to some confusion, especially to lazy hags who don't actually take the time to read rules.
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - DioShiba - 07-16-2008
I don't think it matters much, I suspose if people get premission from there creators it is alright, but like Manaphy said, there are people out there who don't bother to read the rules (like yucky for example) and then they act like complete idiots not confessing the truth.
In other words, I am neutral within the cause.
Edit: Actually I think I am just going to go and say yes, however instead of ripping them we should probably make it so that they can't be ripped, rather made entirely custom and then put up a MUGEN section in customs, and from there put in a guideline within the rules to say that "MUGEN characters are allowed, however you have to make them".
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - Koopaul - 07-16-2008
There's way too much controversy and confusion on this issue. Best if just avoided.
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - GaryCXJk - 07-16-2008
Diogalesu Wrote:Edit: Actually I think I am just going to go and say yes, however instead of ripping them we should probably make it so that they can't be ripped, rather made entirely custom and then put up a MUGEN section in customs, and from there put in a guideline within the rules to say that "MUGEN characters are allowed, however you have to make them".If you make the sprites yourself, it's not a MUGEN rip anymore. In that case they ARE allowed.
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - FRET - 07-16-2008
No. No exceptions.
There are three different types of Mugen character
Ripped ones
Patched up ripped ones
Customs
The ripped ones were ripped by someone, and that someone took hours to do so. It would be annoying for someone to take all that hard work and claim it their own or even attach their name to it
The patched up ones are made from rips and customs from different games and people, and aren't reliable
The custom ones, well, it's self explanatory. If someone who made that wants it on here, they can submit it themselves.
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - dIECHERS - 07-16-2008
I'd have to say no. tSR seems like a very nice site. It should stick to actual games. (trust me, I know how messy Mugen chars can be)
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - Chdonga - 07-17-2008
dIECHERS Wrote:I'd have to say no. tSR seems like a very nice site. It should stick to actual games. (trust me, I know how messy Mugen chars can be)
I agree and disagree with that statement. We have sprites of characters from Kart Fighter and that's not a real game. But some of the custom MUGEN characters are pretty bad anyways so not much people would want it on tSR. Plus we'd need permission to get the sprites from the rippers/custom spriters to put them on here.
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - LilGrim1991 - 07-17-2008
Sure.
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - l2agnarok - 07-17-2008
I'm gonna have to say, "No. It's a form of sprite theft."
As a spriter for M.U.G.E.N, I would feel very very uncomfortable if people were to use my custom sprites with or without permission. If we were to allow ripping of M.U.G.E.N sheets, it'd probably have lots of people ripping most sprites, custom or not. Most people would probably rip all of it before asking to submit it. Now when it gets rejected then, they still have a ripped sheet that people could use. So other sites could accept it or they host it themselves. Either way It's gonna be hosted and people will have access to your hard made sprites.
In other words, People would never really ask for permission from the creator to rip it, or even read the rules of doing so and host it somewhere with or without permission.
Custom sprites take a long time to make. Some would feel honored of their sheets being ripped, and others not. If the creators love their work being shown to others they can release the sheet themselves.
Edited sprites are of course edits off original sprites, or some else's own custom or edit.
Ripping those types would be too much trouble. You need the original ripper's/creator's name credited and/or other names credited from other works used to make that edit. Even if we ask the creator about the credits of what is what, he may not remember or know.
Even if this idea of submitting these sheets become valid, it would hold many rules. Actually maybe only a few, but a few no one would read. Most people aren't that smart or nice etc.
Then would come that trouble about rejected sheets still being hosted elsewhere problem I mentioned earlier.
Simply put. The original creator can submit their own work in the Edited/Custom sections. If they don't want their work distributed, they won't submit it. If they do, they'll submit it. Seriously how hard is submitting your own work if you want it public? How hard is it to understand people feeling uncomfortable about their work being public when they don't want to? Those uncomfortable people just simply won't submit it.
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - Goemar - 07-18-2008
Doesn't the rule "only submit your own work" cover this already?
RE: Should tSR accept MUGEN sprites? - Ton - 07-18-2008
1. I just noticed I misspelled "accept."
2. I guess that clinches it. The Spriter's Resource will not accept MUGEN character rips unless they are submitted by the original artist.
Lun-lun's Edit: Or from the original game if they even have one.