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+------ Thread: Which pokemon could do with a type change? (/thread-18240.html)
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - DioShiba - 08-18-2011
garydos
anyways give some of the older stater pokemon evos a second type
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - Frario - 08-18-2011
Gyarados is based on those chinese/japanese dragons that chinese people lift in the air and in japanese folk tales. But yeah, it could use a dragon type.
Abomasnow and Eggecutor and their other evo-stages have the most weaknesses in the games. They're terrible.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - Cshad - 08-18-2011
Gyarados is better off Water/Flying because that Bug/Fighting resist and Ground immunity are really awesome.
And Exxegutor/Abomasnow are actually decent Pokemon if you know how to use them well. Celebi has just as many weaknesses and does spectacularly.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - DioShiba - 08-24-2011
(08-18-2011, 03:10 PM)Cshad Wrote: Celebi has just as many weaknesses and does spectacularly.
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Celebi doesn't count since it's more of a novelty to have a legendary rather then using it to fight.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - Ark Kuvis - 08-24-2011
I always wanted a Gen 1 pokemon to get a dark type, since Gen 2 introduced Electric/Steel Magnemite. Maybe make Oddish pure grass, then make Gloom and Vileploom Grass/Dark, and Bellosom pure grass. IDK just a thought.
Also, Serperior for Grass/Dragon, Emboar for Fire/Dark, and Samurott for Water/Fighting. It works out so much better this way.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - TomGuycott - 08-24-2011
(08-24-2011, 11:54 AM)Ark Kuvis Wrote: Also, Serperior for Grass/Dragon, Emboar for Fire/Dark, and Samurott for Water/Fighting. It works out so much better this way.
Small problem with the balance of that though: Serperior's type combination would make it incredibly overpowered compared to the other two. Also Emboar would get an immunity where the other two don't.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - Locked Achievement - 08-26-2011
(08-24-2011, 12:32 PM)TomGuycott Wrote:(08-24-2011, 11:54 AM)Ark Kuvis Wrote: Also, Serperior for Grass/Dragon, Emboar for Fire/Dark, and Samurott for Water/Fighting. It works out so much better this way.
Small problem with the balance of that though: Serperior's type combination would make it incredibly overpowered compared to the other two.
Grass/Dragon has a 4x weakness to Ice, 2x to dragon, Bug, Flying, and Poison.
Fire/Dark has 2x weakness to Ground, Rock, Water, Bug and Fighting.
Water/Fighting has 2x weakness to Electric, Grass, Flying and Psychic
Therefore, Serperior definately would be overpowered
Quote:Also Emboar would get an immunity where the other two don't.
Empoleon and Torterra did, Infernape didn't
Charizard did, Venusaur and Blastoise didn't
Sweampert did, Blaziken and Sceptile didn't
And Gen 2 had weird starters with one type
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - DioShiba - 08-26-2011
(08-26-2011, 03:45 AM)Insane Prawn Wrote: Charizard did, Venusaur and Blastoise didn't
Granted that you don't count that charizard is weak to electric types, then maybe, but far as I am concerned charizard had just as many immunities compared to venasaur and blastoise.
they're basically like gen 2 starters.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - TomGuycott - 08-26-2011
(08-26-2011, 03:45 AM)Insane Prawn Wrote:(08-24-2011, 12:32 PM)TomGuycott Wrote:(08-24-2011, 11:54 AM)Ark Kuvis Wrote: Also, Serperior for Grass/Dragon, Emboar for Fire/Dark, and Samurott for Water/Fighting. It works out so much better this way.
Small problem with the balance of that though: Serperior's type combination would make it incredibly overpowered compared to the other two.
Grass/Dragon has a 4x weakness to Ice, 2x to dragon, Bug, Flying, and Poison.
Fire/Dark has 2x weakness to Ground, Rock, Water, Bug and Fighting.
Water/Fighting has 2x weakness to Electric, Grass, Flying and Psychic
Therefore, Serperior definately would be overpowered
Quote:Also Emboar would get an immunity where the other two don't.
Empoleon and Torterra did, Infernape didn't
Charizard did, Venusaur and Blastoise didn't
Sweampert did, Blaziken and Sceptile didn't
And Gen 2 had weird starters with one type
It's not so much how many strengths and weaknesses they have with other pokemon, it's how many strengths and weaknesses they have against EACH OTHER.
Let's break down the other generations:
1st Gen - A little weird because of Venusaur's Grass/Poison thing it had going on and Charizard's Flying type, but overall they were fairly balanced with the game and each other
2nd Gen - No risks, just straight Grass/Fire/Water
3rd Gen - I really don't know what they were thinking, the typing just seems eclectic in this Gen, I don't know how it balances out because I don't really care about this Gen either.
4th - An actually interesting arrangement where their secondary types give the partial advantages to the end they formerly had disadvantages against, and at the same times gives them partial disadvantage to what they formerly had advantage against
5th - They got lazy but still think Fire/Fighting is a staple now.
Now let's break down how Grass/Dragon, Fire/Dark and Water/Fighting work for each other.
-Water/Fighting is advantageous in both respects to Fire/Dark
-Grass/Dragon has normal advantages to Water/Fighting
-Grass/Dragon makes Fire normally effective and Water even less effective.
What isn't working in this scenario especially is Fire/Dark. It won't put a MAJOR dent in what it is supposed to be effective against, and furthermore it is twice as prone to what it's already prone to. The only way to balance it out is to make Grass/Dragon's stats suck, but then you have a pokemon that just sucks because when something it's supposed to be weak against actually comes, Ice for example, it is just totally screwed no matter what.
The point is that the aforementioned suggestion for re-typing the Gen 5 lineup is incredibly imbalanced with one another.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - Ark Kuvis - 08-26-2011
I actually didn't make these typings up. These are the typings of a pretty well known Romhack called "BlazeBlack" and "VoltWhite". I know for a fact Serperior is broken as Grass/Dragon, as it will get Draco Meteor now, and with Contrary...that's guaranteeing it's moved to Ubers.
But I still don't agree on Samurott's typing. Water/Fighting make sense, especially now with Colbaltion and company's Sacred Sword and Secret Sword. Of course, you can't make it Water/Fighting without changing Emboar's type. IDK, so much wasted potential in Gen V's starters.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - TomGuycott - 08-26-2011
Like I said, Gen 5 is incredibly lazy, and for some reason they are really adamant about Fire/Fighting types as starters ever since 3.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - Kriven - 08-26-2011
Magmar should be an ice type.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - TomGuycott - 08-26-2011
(08-26-2011, 10:00 PM)Kriven Wrote: Magmar should be an ice type.
Actually, talking about the fact that there were no retroactively made Dark type Pokemon from Generation 1, I really think it would have been awesome if Electabuzz and Magmar were given a Dark subtype. They just teem with badassness.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - DioShiba - 08-27-2011
Quote:Now let's break down how Grass/Dragon, Fire/Dark and Water/Fighting work for each other.
-Water/Fighting is advantageous in both respects to Fire/Dark
-Grass/Dragon has normal advantages to Water/Fighting
-Grass/Dragon makes Fire normally effective and Water even less effective.
What isn't working in this scenario especially is Fire/Dark. It won't put a MAJOR dent in what it is supposed to be effective against, and furthermore it is twice as prone to what it's already prone to. The only way to balance it out is to make Grass/Dragon's stats suck, but then you have a pokemon that just sucks because when something it's supposed to be weak against actually comes, Ice for example, it is just totally screwed no matter what.
make fire/dark into a fire/ice pokemon
give all of the types a completely unique signature move that can be both types.
problem solved.
think about it for a second, it wouldn't be a completely arsed set of starters granted certain circumstances
grass/dragon would be completely weak to fire/ice (if you give it a few flying moves in it's movepool) yet have an advantage to water/fighting.
fire/ice would be weak to water/fighting completely, but not to grass/dragon.
water/fighting can be taken out by grass/dragon (see above), however it can own fire ice.
You have to consider other factors before you can make a decent set of starter evos, reason why I said put in some flying moves is because it would help balance out each pokemon's weaknesses.
RE: Which pokemon could do with a type change? - Zac - 09-28-2011
people need to stop complaining about emboar's typing forever
there are only like 3 fire/fighting with 3 completely different stat spreads and emboar is the most fighting like one of the 3 of them
the fact that they are all starers means nothing
mono infernape would make sense to me, but he wouldn't be ou material as a pure fire and gamefreak loves him to much for that
on a related not samurott could use a secondary typing, but honestly rock or ice would be more fitting even if it's not the best competitively