(08-02-2013, 05:11 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: So you're saying that it's alright to continue with this conservative view and backwards market because it "makes money"? I know it's the reality, which is why Anita is making these videos and trying to change things, so we don't have this horrible type of thinking that shouldn't be enforced at all and people would be more comfortable with female leads and stuff.

The point of complaining that "oh but there are male characters that suffer that too" is completely irrelevant, as because of now, there's no balance in stuff focused for man that put women in a powerless role than the opposite. A few examples do not make the injury less important, actually, if anything, it makes it worse, because there are fewer than it should. The thing is, the damsel archetype is only negative and awful because there's nothing to counter-balance it. It enforces values that can keep being repeated over and over. If you closely watch the videos, you'll see that it also shows a HUGE lack of creativity in games development and plot. It's the same story over and over and that's horrible not only for women but for basically everyone.

(08-02-2013, 05:11 PM)Mutsukki Wrote:

(08-02-2013, 12:52 PM)Kriven Wrote: I didn't know overly-feminized male characters were pandering to a female audience?
I don't really think they are?

Also, while this is besides the point, they actually are ahahah. Girls tend to like overly-feminine guys in media, manga and anime that have that proeminentely are a huge hit with women. Women authors (in manga and anime at least) tend to draw overly-feminine guys too.

(08-02-2013, 07:20 PM)Koh Wrote: I'm not saying it's right at all. I'm just saying it's the most profitable route. Badass male lead with possible female supporters and whatnot, and when advertised right, there you go. It's sad it has to be like that, but if you think about it, publishers basically "whore" their games out when they exploit the sex appeal, no matter which side of the coin it is. This is why I believe there was a true "Golden Age" of gaming, being that of the NES/SNES/GBC/GBA/Genesis era, since 3D was a new thing and the sex appeal could only be done so much with sprites. Instead of pouring the pixels into big boobs or a 6-pack chest, they were more suited to showing detail like the character wearing armor or whatever.

(08-03-2013, 09:08 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: There's nothing wrong with sex appeal or sexualization. It is wrong when 90% of it is targeted towards 14 year old boys, though.

(08-04-2013, 12:11 AM)Koopaul Wrote:

(08-03-2013, 09:08 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: There's nothing wrong with sex appeal or sexualization. It is wrong when 90% of it is targeted towards 14 year old boys, though.

Well these are pretty bold statements I'm about to say, but I think reason for that is it's probably easier marketing to males than females. By that I mean males are generally more easily swayed by action, violence, and sex. These are simple, primal, stupid things that don't require as much thought or care as something that may draw attention to the female market. It basically comes down to laziness.

When it comes to fiction, women find themselves mostly attracted to deeper or more complex characters rather than a piece of meat. This is why Loki is considered the most attractive character out of all Avengers cast. He's not sexy because of his body, and they didn't need to dress him in tight clothes and make sexy poses. It's his actual character that the ladies love.

But making something like that takes more time and craft. A half naked female can make a man want that product in the blink of an eye. It's easy, it's quick, it works.

(08-04-2013, 12:11 AM)Koopaul Wrote:

(08-03-2013, 09:08 PM)Mutsukki Wrote: There's nothing wrong with sex appeal or sexualization. It is wrong when 90% of it is targeted towards 14 year old boys, though.

Well these are pretty bold statements I'm about to say, but I think reason for that is it's probably easier marketing to males than females. By that I mean males are generally more easily swayed by action, violence, and sex. These are simple, primal, stupid things that don't require as much thought or care as something that may draw attention to the female market. It basically comes down to laziness.

When it comes to fiction, women find themselves mostly attracted to deeper or more complex characters rather than a piece of meat. This is why Loki is considered the most attractive character out of all Avengers cast. He's not sexy because of his body, and they didn't need to dress him in tight clothes and make sexy poses. It's his actual character that the ladies love.

But making something like that takes more time and craft. A half naked female can make a man want that product in the blink of an eye. It's easy, it's quick, it works.

(08-04-2013, 02:16 PM)Koopaul Wrote: I didn't say that its a good thing. I'm just explaining why they do it. It's pure laziness.

Also, Loki is not liked for his looks. Go watch that Nostalgia Critic episode on "Why is Loki so Hot?"