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RE: the future of zelda - Phantom Killah - 11-11-2014
While the Zelda timeline is very muddled and mostly an afterthought, WindWaker and Twilight Princess at least were both explicitly made as follow ups to OoT, but in different timelines.
As Darky said, Hero of Time Link died some day and probably ended up as that skeleton guy that teaches you moves in TP Although I don't know if they ever actually said he was never seen again? Maybe he did eventually find what he was looking for, or maybe he gave up and lived the rest of his days quietly in kokiri forest. I dunno, there could be some story potential there
RE: the future of zelda - Kriven - 11-11-2014
I've never understood why Wind Waker and Twilight Princess had to exist in mutually exclusive timelines.
RE: the future of zelda - AuraLancer - 11-11-2014
Probably because Ganondorf actually dies in Twilight Princess.
RE: the future of zelda - Kriven - 11-11-2014
The Gerudo tribe gives birth to a new Ganondorf every hundred years, though. The Ganon demon spirit just takes a new host, the same way the Hero does.
RE: the future of zelda - trans the psycopath - 11-11-2014
(11-11-2014, 12:52 PM)Kriven Wrote: You're trying to argue single timeline vs. split timeline?
Why didn't you just open the thread with "I don't like Miyamoto's timeline. Here's how I see it."
im not conning miyamotos timeline or split timelines just darkys inturpritation as his view did ignor some cannon and i did support split timelines if you reread it.
i was only trying to convay that just because twilight princess happened after oot dousent mean it happened right after it it could have happened centurys later which makes sense given the topography and that many adventures could have happened between mm and tp. the scenerio i presented was just one way to look at it and said soley to convey my message and remind of cannon from other titles in the franchise.
also miyamoto changes his timeline all the time he seriosly does and it is basically to fit in with what his most recent game is so there.
RE: the future of zelda - Phantom Killah - 11-11-2014
(11-11-2014, 10:11 PM)Kriven Wrote: The Gerudo tribe gives birth to a new Ganondorf every hundred years, though. The Ganon demon spirit just takes a new host, the same way the Hero does.
I thought they had a male every hundred years, not necessarily a ganon. The dude in OoT, WW and TP is supposed to be the actual same guy, not just a reincarnation of the same guy
RE: the future of zelda - Kriven - 11-11-2014
(11-11-2014, 10:38 PM)Phantom Killah Wrote:(11-11-2014, 10:11 PM)Kriven Wrote: The Gerudo tribe gives birth to a new Ganondorf every hundred years, though. The Ganon demon spirit just takes a new host, the same way the Hero does.
I thought they had a male every hundred years, not necessarily a ganon. The dude in OoT, WW and TP is supposed to be the actual same guy, not just a reincarnation of the same guy
Where did it actually ever state that the mortal body seen in those three games are the same? They certainly don't look the same.
RE: the future of zelda - Phantom Killah - 11-11-2014
(11-11-2014, 10:40 PM)Kriven Wrote:(11-11-2014, 10:38 PM)Phantom Killah Wrote:(11-11-2014, 10:11 PM)Kriven Wrote: The Gerudo tribe gives birth to a new Ganondorf every hundred years, though. The Ganon demon spirit just takes a new host, the same way the Hero does.
I thought they had a male every hundred years, not necessarily a ganon. The dude in OoT, WW and TP is supposed to be the actual same guy, not just a reincarnation of the same guy
Where did it actually ever state that the mortal body seen in those three games are the same? They certainly don't look the same.
well, the reason they look different is because different art styles.
I'm no expert here, so I could be wrong
but Ganondorf is sealed in the sacred realm at the end of OoT (adult timeline), and then he breaks out sometime later. I suppose he could have broke out and caused the flood or whatever and then just randomly died between then and windwaker, but he has the triforce of power (right?) so I don't see why he would have had to die at any point. I think he was actually trapped under the ocean the whole time
and in Twilight Princess he's shown being imprisoned in the twilight realm presumably not long after the events of OoT (child timeline), and then he escapes not long before the events of TP.
Basically it's all a bunch of nonsense
RE: the future of zelda - Kriven - 11-11-2014
Since there's so much time between Ganondorf's appearances, it's impossible to determine whether it's the same body or not. I've always been under the impression that even if OoT Ganondorf was imprisoned in the Twilight Realm that the body itself perished while the demon spirit inhabited the realm until it located or created a new host body. Ganon's reincarnations seem to be a lot like Link's and Zelda's with the benefit of a traveling memory... I mean, the Ganon entity is not distinct from its body the way Link is (as evidenced by the Hero's Shade)... With the Hero there appears to be two spirits which inhabit one body, but with Ganon this isn't true. So when it can be said that "This Ganon was sealed away" that is accurate in the sense that Ganon is the same spiritual entity. But not necessarily the same body.
RE: the future of zelda - Phantom Killah - 11-11-2014
I suppose it's all open to interpretation, but Twilight Princess doesn't really support your case. He's shown being executed in a flashback, and he looks exactly the same as he does when you encounter him in the present. He even has the same gaping chest wound.
A lot of Ganons are reincarnations, but I'm pretty sure he's the same person in OoT and TP (probably WW too)
RE: the future of zelda - AuraLancer - 11-12-2014
Do you have access to the Historia? The only time Ganondorf reincarnates is in Four Swords Adventures. In all of the other games it's the same person (albeit alternate timeline versions of himself). He either breaks out of where he was sealed (Either he doesn't age when sealed, or the Triforce of Power keeps him from aging) or he is revived by minions.
The Gerudo give birth to a single man every one hundred years, but it isn't necessarily Ganondorf. It HAS been Ganondorf twice though.
RE: the future of zelda - Koopaul - 11-12-2014
I'm sure Nintendo just want's to make games with Ganondorf, then they ask themselves "Wait. How did he get here?" Then they either say "Oh, it's a split timeline! No! He's been reincarnated! No! He's a robot from the future!"
And that my friends is how you get a messy continuity.
RE: the future of zelda - NICKtendo DS - 11-12-2014
If he can change into a pig, why wouldn't he be able to alter his human appearance. Heck, Zelda can use magic to transform into Sheik and as far as I know, Ganondorf is pretty magical himself.
RE: the future of zelda - Kriven - 11-12-2014
This is probably why I like Nintendo games so much, though... their continuity isn't very solid, but there's enough there to create a solid enough structure to make sense to whoever the viewer is.