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Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - senjen - 04-02-2012
I Decided to make a custom Earthbound/Mother enemy model with the texture 100% made from scratch, unfortually the UV is messed up and i don't know how to fix it i tried for hours but couldn't figure it out, luckily i didn't save when i was trying to fix it cause i made it alot worse -.-
Here's the model http://www.mediafire.com/?uhrcgz4baksaa60
![[Image: 2vkahhj.jpg]](http://i41.tinypic.com/2vkahhj.jpg)
as you can see the front is messed up with extra smiles on it, the smile in the middle is the correct one BTW,
as well as i even made the icon for the custom's here
![[Image: 1hdp3m.png]](http://i42.tinypic.com/1hdp3m.png)
i would love if someone could figure out what's wrong with it, and fix the UV
Edit: Solved the problem myself check Post #5
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model Help! - alexmach1 - 04-03-2012
what program are you using? the UV looks fine and works for me.
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model Help! - senjen - 04-04-2012
really cause in Blender the UV is weird and does what the image shows that i showed on the first post.
also what program do you use?
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model Help! - TGE - 04-04-2012
3DS Max also has this problem, the only thing is that I tiles itself but I cant make it so that I have a bigger texture because If I apply a bigger texture, the mouth gets smaller
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model Help! - senjen - 04-04-2012
ok i got it fixed it, i had to manually fix the UV on the model
here's the links http://www.sendspace.com/file/l8kowv
http://www.mediafire.com/?9skrvr5sj5oszx6 mediafire works again XD
here's a image
![[Image: 2nid85x.jpg]](http://i41.tinypic.com/2nid85x.jpg)
Enjoy and tell me what you think I can't wait for it to be uploaded ^^
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - TGE - 04-04-2012
BTW Why does his smile look like it's jpeged?
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - Peardian - 04-04-2012
Before I get to the critique, there are some technical issues to cover.
The first is that the sphere isn't perfectly aligned with the axis. This makes it difficult to work with, as anyone who uses it will have to adjust for the fact it is looking slightly off to the side. You want your values for rotation to be even values of 0, 90, 180, or 270.
The other issues is the texture. Did you really make the original texture yourself? Because the one you have here appears to be a .jpg that was scaled upwards and saved as a .png file, and I can't imagine why that would happen if you made the original in the first place. If you did in fact make the texture, I suggest making it at the size you want instead of making it too small and resizing it.
That's it as far as technical issues go. The OBJ and MTL are both fine.
The model itself doesn't look bad, but it's not very impressive, either. Anybody can put a picture on a sphere or a cube. When you plan on modeling an object that actually is just a sphere or a cube, such as this enemy here, you have to put more effort into it make it stand out. I'm glad that you manually fixed the UVs on the model, because it shows you're willing to put effort into it, and that's a good sign.
The texture isn't bad, but it could definitely use some work. The main problem is that it just isn't symmetrical. None of the curves on one side match up with the curves on the other side, making it look lumpy and misshapen. There are also a number of sharp turns in the curves, which you want to smooth out. You want the curves on both sides to be nice and smooth, and match each other as best you can. I also suggest using round edges on the mouth line instead of square, as it looks unnatural. I also suggest checking a reference. A quick look at TSR shows that the enemy's lips are, in fact, white. Other than that and the technical flaws, it's nice.
There are several ways you could improve this, and I'll leave it up to you on which paths you want to take. One of of the biggest problems is that the model just looks too flat. It looks good from the front, but as you turn it, you see that it is just a ball with a painted-on mouth. You want to somehow make the mouth stand out, so that it doesn't just look like a picture of a mouth. The best way, but also the way that requires the most effort, is to model out the mouth, so that it has nice polygonal lips sticking out of the ball's surface. You'll have your texture to help guide you so that it matches your original design. If you are unsure about making original models, there are tutorials you can find online that show you good techniques for making custom shapes.
If you don't think you can make polygonal lips (though I hope you try), your other option is to put lots of extra detail into the texturing. A bump map will help make the lips stand out, making the light hit them as if they were sticking out of the surface. Another thing you could do is add shading. Soft shadows below the mouth and along the undersides of the lips will make the mouth more convincing, as flat lips can't cast shadows. Combining this with a good bump map will make a nice effect. Or, if you really wanted it to look nice, you could use the shadows in combination with polygonal lips for a really nice effect.
There are a number of other things you can also do to the model to make it even better. A Specular Map would let you make the body more shiny than the lips, and prevent light from reflecting off the black crease in its mouth. Making an Environment Probe image (also known as a mirror ball image) will let you specify exactly the what the reflections and shiny spots on the ball look like when viewed from any angle. This would let you imitate the exact lighting style you see on the enemy's sprite, such as the double highlights and ring of reflected light around the edge. Another thing you could do is include an texture (or textures) for the recolored version of the enemy. If you don't know how to do these things, don't worry, there are plenty of tutorials out there.
Again, these are all options, and you don't have to do all of them, but I do hope you will at least try all of them. If you're really having trouble, I can help, but be sure to look for tutorials first before coming to me. I wish you luck in this, and I look forward to seeing you improve.
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - senjen - 04-05-2012
ok i watched some tutorials and learned how to make a mouth from a cube
here's what it looks like
Front of the model
![[Image: 2hqecr5.jpg]](http://i42.tinypic.com/2hqecr5.jpg)
Top of the model
![[Image: 4hutlv.jpg]](http://i41.tinypic.com/4hutlv.jpg)
Side of the model
![[Image: 34g4lzp.jpg]](http://i39.tinypic.com/34g4lzp.jpg)
as well as i made 5 extra textures for the model ^^
![[Image: 23woggl.jpg]](http://i41.tinypic.com/23woggl.jpg)
unfortually the UV is messed up on the mouth and i don't know how fix it i was trying to for more than 8 hours but couldn't figure it out, i didn't save though so the UV is still messed up just like what it looks like in that image above.
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - TGE - 04-05-2012
Well, to be honest, It still looks not that good. The mouth is abit rough and is placed abit high on the sphere.
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - senjen - 04-05-2012
what do you mean by abit rough? @ Peardian what do you think of the lips?
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - Peardian - 04-05-2012
It's a start. The shape needs work, as you want it to be symmetrical. There are tools for this, though I personally don't know how to use it. Just look online for tutorials on using the Symmetry tools for your program. I can tell you used your texture as a reference for creating the mouth, but you didn't change the mouth texture first like I suggested. The curves on the mouth model are exactly the same as the original mouth texture's curves, flaws and all. I recommend making the mouth texture look better first, then redoing the mouth. When you do, be sure to post it so that we can look over it, too.
Another problem with the mouth is how it sticks out from the model. The surface of the mouth is completely flat, which contrasts a lot with the curved surface of the sphere. Lips are supposed to curve with the surface of the model, similar to the look of your original model. The lips should be raised off of the surface of the ball on the sides the same amount as it is raised in the center. There's more to this, but I don't want to throw too many things at you at once. Take care of these issues first, then we can move on to the next issue.
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - TGE - 04-06-2012
Well, with rough I meant that it wasnt smooth and curved so well...
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - senjen - 04-06-2012
would someone like to help me with this model they can be given Credit as well for working on this model as well
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - TGE - 04-06-2012
Watch some more tuts on Youtube, maybe you get what you want.
(04-06-2012, 02:17 PM)senjen Wrote: would someone like to help me with this model they can be given Credit as well for working on this model as well
RE: Senjen's Earthbound/Mother Custom Model - senjen - 04-06-2012
i'll try thanks