Smash Rosters

[psychospacecow]

I want more Toad cameos.

[[robo9]]

I don't know, considering his popularity and the lack of better choices, I feel like he has a pretty good chance. But I have a better question:

Why not Dr. Wily?

[TomGuycott]

Except Donkey Kong was made into his franchise. He became the Donkey Kong franchise. Even though Megaman X is however years in the future, it's still Megaman. Still the fight between between Dr. Light and Wily, still using Megaman to fight Wily's evil. If Mario and Luigi had kids and went to fought Bowser Jr., I'd still count that as the Mario franchise

Okay, I'm not arguing that they're not the same overall story and universe... I'm arguing that Zero, a character that has nothing to do with Mega Man Classic, has zero chance (haha) of being an assist listed under the same franchise as Mega Man.

Are you so certain about that? Zero is an INCREDIBLY popular character. He's also who Inafune REALLY wanted as the main character when Mega Man X was being conceived, and even though that didn't come together at the time he DID get his own series later.

I don't think that he's the first choice for an assist or anything, but I get really peeved when people go "There's absolutely NO chance of THIS happening because I like it that way!" You're making a bold bold bold bold bold bold BOLD bold BOLD BOLD bold BOLD statement saying you know how a character conceived by a company who happens to own a character who happens to be featured in another company's all-star fighting francise is thought of by EITHER company or anyone else for that matter.


Also Zero appeared in one of the Fighting arcade games based on Mega Man. He's appeared in the classic Mega Man setting more than any other X-related character, no ifs, ands or buts.

[Ton]

Hey, remember when this topic was about something else?

[[robo9]]

C'mon Ton, every Smash topic has to have at least one off topic argument. It's even in the official tSR rule thread

Ontopic:

Mario: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Rosalina
Wario: Wario, Waluigi
Yoshi: Yoshi
Donkey Kong: DK, Diddy, Dixie, K. Rool
Zelda: Link, Toon Link, Zelda/Sheik, Ganondorf
Pokemon: Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Trainer (Charizard, Ivysaur, Squirtle), Lucario, Mewtwo
Kirby: Kirby, Dedede, Meta-Knight
Metroid: Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Star Fox: Fox, Falco, Wolf
Kid Icarus: Pit, Palutena
Fire Emblem: Marth, Ike
Mother: Ness, Lucas,
F-Zero: Captain Falcon
Pikmin: Olimar
Animal Crossing: Villager
Nintendo Misc: Ice Climbers, ROB, Mr. G&W, Little Mac, Wii Fit Trainer, Sukapon
Third Party: Megaman, Sonic, Pac-Man

My list is pretty bare tbh. I'm not expecting very many more new characters, and most of mine that are new are pretty out there as far as chances go. Dixie has a good chance considering there was scrap code for her in brawl or some bullshit like that, although K. Rool is the goto Donkey Kong villain, which does lack some representation. Waluigi for shits and giggles (and sweet, scrumptious dreams.) Sukapon fits the roll of strange nostalgia like GW and ROB and also the obscure NES game like Pit and the Ice Climbers. PacMan fits in like a glove, and the fact that Namco is helping helps tremendously

[TomGuycott]

Mario Series:

Honestly, I think in terms of playable characters the Mario Series is pretty much locked in with Rosalina. IF they include anyone else, it either means the rest of the roster is meant to be considerably larger, or they are just having questionable opinions about series balancing (which isn't really set in stone, but having one series with SUCH a large tip in the scale in one direction kind of makes the game feel like "Mario and Friends Fighter" rather than a Nintendo All Stars kind of lineup)

What we might see a lot more of are cameos in the form of Assist Trophies, Stage Hazards and simple background elements. Of what is available, I think the most likely is the presence of Bowser Jr or Nabbit. I could see either as Assist Trophies, or as some sort of background element, especially if there was a Bowser specific stage in Jr's case.

In terms of stages, I think we will see some form of Luigi specific stage celebrating the Year of Luigi, even though it has since passed. Of course it could just end up being a Luigi's Mansion stage, which makes sense given Dark Moon's popularity.

In terms of my wish list (meaning stuff I don't expect to see at all, but I find conceptually cool), I'd love to see a Mario RPG character, assist or stage. There's a whooole lot to choose from, ranging from oldschool to new releases, and even different series to choose from. Paper Mario seems like the most prominent, with Mario and Luigi at a close second. Of couse I'd always want to see Super Mario RPG stuff, particularly a playable character, but I'd settle for ANY reference.



Zelda Series:

This one is tricky. Zelda is FAIRLY well-represented at the moment with potentially four playable characters, or five if you include Sheik. However, at this time it is unclear how Sheik and Ganondorf are designed or how they fit into the gameplay. There's definitely a lot of room for change with Ganondorf, but if Zelda is any indication then Ganondorf may just be his Twilight Princess design with some tweaks.

I feel like there will be ONE more Zelda rep at least. No idea who, it could be anyone out of a wide variety of viable candidates. I'm also predicting a Link Between Worlds stage.

In terms of what I wish would be in it, after playing A Link between Worlds I kind of wish Ravio would be. What I'd want to see from him is a moveset adapting the various tools he rents Link, complete with the bunny ear motif representing them as his. For his specials I want to see him use the Rods, such as Ice for standard, Fire for side, Wind for up and Sand for down. I have always felt the wands and rods don't get enough attenion from the Zelda games, as they are really cool weapons most of the time. I also wish there was some sort of representation of pig-style Ganon in slightly more than a Final Smash for Ganondorf.



Kirby Series:

In terms of characters, I don't think we'd see more. Sakurai has always seemed reluctant to add his characters in over others, and Dedede and Meta are arguably the most relevant other characters in the series. I would LOVE to see more as it is one of my favorite series of all time, but additional characters doesn't seem like it is going to happen.

Stage-wise, I'm thinking a Return to Dreamland stage is likely, or an Epic Yarn stage, two of the more successful recent Kirby titles as of late, at least for the Wii U version. A more traditional Dreamland stage might appear on the 3DS version, or maybe a Triple Deluxe stage. Bandana Dee might appear in a stage or as an assist, I predict.

I have a wishlist a mile long for Kirby characters, but I think the one that would make the most sense is Knuckle Joe, seeing as he actually did appear as an Assist previously. Marx is my super guilty-pleasure wish list character, and if I even saw him in the background of a level I'd consider it a small personal pleasure.


Donkey Kong Series:

Dixie or Cranky is getting playable in some way. No idea which, but I'd lean more towards Dixie. The game already has a lot of girl power going on in the newcomer roster, it would fit the trend.

I WANT K. Rool in, but I'm not really holding my breath. He's been appearing as trophies for the past two Smash games, so maybe he might have some other kind of appearance. Playable would be more than welcome in my opinion though, I think very highly of the King.

Metroid series

I think that there is some sort of chance of a playable Ridley. I just have this feeling. Granted, feelings are often wrong, and all the available evidence seems to point to the contrary. But I'm going on a gamble here and saying that I think he's going to be in. Beyond that, I don't see any other characters getting in.

I've always wanted another Bounty Hunter to be included. Pretty much every hunter from MP:Hunters has a design and fighting style I really enjoy. The game itself was meh, which is why its disappointing that the designs will continue to go unused. Unless they end up being Trophies again.

Earthbound series

A somewhat neglected series, and I believe it will continue to suffer neglect in the future. I don't think Earthbound will see any newcomers this time around, though I don't think Lucas will get the boot either.

What I WISH would happen is the inclusion of Claus, Poo or Porky. The first two represent a good combination of physical fighters with PSI powers, and Porky is just over-the-top crazy. They'd have to pull what they would need to pull with Ridley though and settle on some kind of scaled down design. His actual size in Earthbound at the end isn't entirely apparent, though it does seem to be fairly big.

Wario Series

I don't see anyone else from his series being added (Including Waluigi, who there's arguements whether he'd be in the Mario spectrum of characters ((which makes more sense given the source material)) or a Wario character), especially considering Ashley has just been revealed as an Assist. She's probably the most popular Wario Ware character outside of Wario himself, and I doubt Nintendo will give any love to the Wario Land series either in the form of a playable.

I am hoping for a nice new Wario stage and maybe even more assists if possible.


Fire Emblem

Although he's a LOT like Ike and Marth in a number of ways, I see Chrom being viable, but I'm not 100% behind the idea. The problem I feel is that Marth's latest design (in terms of his sword design mainly) fits a LOT with how I pictured Chrom sizing up. HOWEVER, if they were to keep Ike (Which I believe is very possible, he was the lord of a fairly successful pair of games in the series and among the first console versions released in YEARS as far as I gather), I could see Marth being the fast one, Chrom the middle and balanced and Ike the powerful, slow one. The blue hair on all three doesn't bother me much, it's like a series staple. To me that's like complaining about Mario, Luigi and Wario having the same uniform (most of the time).

Like Kirby, my wish list with FE is a mile long. The main issue is that the lords get all the attention and the cooler side characters, villains and magicians get put to the wayside. I mean, with a series the size of FE you could make the whole game with ONLY FE characters and still leave considerable material out. I'd love to see Lyn, any magic user or any villain. Tharja would be a cool, recent dark magic user, but maybe her outfit is a bit too risque for the game (It's like.. mostly translucent black with some opaque covering where necessary).


F-Zero

I don't see any new characters really. F-Zero has the unfortunate curse of being oversaturated with lots of potentially interesting characters, but a somewhat smaller scale in popularity. The result is that it doesn't have the same staying power as other series.

What I wouldn't mind seeing though is at least ONE more. Samurai Goroh works fine for me given he appeared as an assist, but he might remain an assist as sort of a joke (as he was sort of a mockery if I recall, I'm shaky on F-Zero lore). Like I said, F-Zero's character library is sooo diverse, I wouldn't mind seeing ANY newcomer from that.


Pokemon

I see Mewtwo returning, definitely. Beyond that, I have no idea. If no other changes were made, Pokemon would have pretty much the biggest chunk of the roster, so not much else is necessary. It probably has the BIGGEST problem of having too much source material to choose from.

What I hope for is maybe a new trainer AS a fighter, using Pokemon for moves. Also for Meowth, tipping the scale to Gen 1 even more... but in the end, is that such a bad thing? It's the series roots, after all.


Pikmin

I don't know a whole lot about Pikmin, but I don't think there would be any reason to have another character from it since they'd likely play so similarly to Olimar.

However, if I had it my way, I'd make them have different fighting styles and maybe have the newcomer pull different Pikmin than Olimar would.


Star Fox

I think Wolf is going to stick around and there won't be any other newcomers. The series has had some rough times lately, not quite as popular anymore.

What I really hope for more than a character is a good Star Fox stage. The Brawl one was okay, but something with an iconic Star Fox location would be much cooler than some generic space battle.


Kid Icarus

I see two characters being newcomers... but I have no idea which they are. Palutena is a must, and it goes along with the theme I mentioned of the game having more girls than the previous games. The characters I PERSONALLY consider worthy are Hades, Phosphora, Magnus and Medusa in that order of priority as playable characters.

In terms of assist trophies, I think Magnus fits a lot better there. Medusa I'd see more of a stage hazard kind of girl, off in the background taunting you like in the opening of Uprising.

Pretty much all the characters I mentioned I'd love to see playable, and then some. I love Kid Icarus to the core.


Misc Nintendo Characters

I don't really see anyone else getting added in terms of "Weird Peripheral" character. That's sort of what Wii Fit Trainer accomplished. As for other series in general, I feel like Little Mac has a chance. His reboot was pretty awesome, and Punchout is an iconic classic game.

Characters like Takamaru and Sukapon seem more likely as assist trophies, but I think Takamaru is more likely. His game had a featuring in Nintendo Land after all, and maybe adding him here might spark a rebirth like it did for Kid Icarus.

What I wish I could see (though I know I won't) is a playable Golden Sun rep. Isaac seems the most logical to me, probably with a focus more on his overworld powers like his Assist was rather than his Djinn abilities in battle. I'd like it the reverse way, but I'm just going based on what they had his assist focus on.



Third Party Characters

Snake is kind of up in the air for returning.. I'd want him to, but I'm kind of on the fence about whether he would. He was an awesome character though, and has a VERY rich history (just not entirely with Nintendo consoles). Sonic won't see any more playables, nor will Mega Man. I see people's reasoning for Pac Man, but I don't predict him appearing.

Assists are another story. I think Sonic would get a different assist this time (or in addition to Shadow), but I DON'T think it will be Tails. Mega Man I could see either going with Proto Man or Eddie (for the ally aspect), Bass or Wily (for the villain aspect), or Zero (for the reach-out to the popular continuation of the series).

Given the fact I could just pick ANY character from a nintendo game and call it a "wish list", I'm going to forego that here.

[Kriven]

I really don't think Little Mac will get upgraded.

Not that I don't want him, I'd love to be wrong. I just don't see it as likely to happen.

[Koopaul]

But you guys don't give a reasoning behind "I don't see it happening" you should explain yourself.

[Ton]

For me, it's that Mac is the last classic character who has some kind of personality (Bubbles? No. Balloon Fighter? No. Urban Champion? No.) and he just had an updated, well-received reboot. He was also an assist last game, so he's been on Sakurai's mind. I think Mac has a great chance. Most likely newcomer, as far as I'm concerned.

[SchAlternate]

So I heard you wanna make rosters.

[Ton]

Just sucks that you have to download it...

[Ark Kuvis]

woah, such roster, many wow.

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>Rosalina

Already confirmed.

>Dixie

Female Character, Tropical Freeze heavily features her, one of the "forbidden seven", she's cool as heck.

>Ganon

Link Between Worlds was the last big Zelda game that came out and it featured the actual version of Ganondorf. Probably about time we bring that form into play. Probably the same kind of down b transformation that Zelda has, turns him into a heavy fighter like Bowser.

>Toon Zelda

With or without her cool ride armour from Spirit Tracks that may or may not be an Assist Trophy. This one is purely just a personal choice because I think Wind Waker's Zelda was ~kawaii as fuck~. If T. Zelda had a Tetra transformation I wouldn't hate it.

>Paluntena

Uprising came out and I'm sure she's fresh in Sakurai's mind and let's be honest Kid Icarus is getting some mad rep up in this.

>Villager

~e3 trailer~

>K. K. Slider

Animal Crossing is fucking huge and probably one of Nintendo's biggest franchises so yeah wow giving it two reps. I chose Slider because of his connection with Totaka, the music composer who Slider is based off of. I'm sure he'd hit things with his guitar and shoot records as a projectile or something and it'd be cool.

>Alph

replace with Louie, Brittany, or Charlie. I haven't played Pikmin 3 but Olimar seems to be packing the same five pikmin he used in Brawl. The new Pikmin rep would use the three basic pikmin types while also wielding Rock and Winged Pikmin! Sooooo cooooool!

>Shulk

so wow Xenoblade Chronicles was this really really popular game that came out in Japan and Americans volleyed for an international release and they GOT IT! and now they're making a sequel on WiiU! SO PSYCHED! So let's generate hype by including the main protagonist of the original! Okay cool! Shulk had like an amazing ammount of abilities in Xenoblade and he wielded the Monado which was this really cool sword (I played like the first 2 hours of it) and wow yeah that's enough for a deece character.

>Mewtwo

Mega Form Y would be his final smash. Like there's no reason Mewtwo should've got cut in Brawl and now he's even more relevant come the fuck on Sakurai.

>Chrom

I am completely okay with 3 blue haired swordsmen. Seriously if Chrom shows up I am totally okay with it because Awakening was basically my game of the year last year. I think it's safe to assume my stance on the Fire Emblem characters at this point so yeah moving on.

>Little Mac

I discussed Punch Out!! for Wii on detail on this very forum. Probably the most obvious newcomer. Little Mac is a classic character, AND he's somewhat relevant over the last 5 years. Bring him in already.

>Wii Fit Trainer

~e3~

>Mega Man

~e3 e3 e3~

>Rayman and Travis Touchdown

I actually don't care too much about 3rd Party selections, and while I know Pac Man is probably the most obvious, a guy can dream.

Rayman Origins was literally the best non-nintendo platformer I've played in years. And No More Heroes is the wackiest thing I've played on Wii. Neither character will appear, but I cannot be serious about 3rd Party representatives for the life of me.

Maybe later I'll go into detail about what kind of stages or assists I want to see but lets be honest that's not as interesting.

[Terminal Devastation]

Mario series: Mostly the current cast, but possibly one more.
I could see Daisy making an Assist trophy appearance just as a way to say: no she isn't entirely thrown under the bus. Possible Dr. Mario alt outfit for mario.

Crack theory: Daisy makes it to PLAYABLE, and uses Mario Land series moves.

Pokemon: I'm with the every playable pokemon in a smash bros that isn't named pichu returns. Mewtwo more likely than lucario, but they'll throw in both just because.

Crack theory: Pkmn Trainer becomes even MORE complex, and switchs between 6 pokemon. The original gen 1 pokemon, and newcomers X/Y starters.

Metroid: Finally gets SOMEONE new. Possibly Anthony or Adam, regardless of how unpopular Other M was. Personally think Anthony over Adam even though the other has more games technically. Either would derive moveset from mostly federation equipment shown either in Samus' or federation soldier' possession. Likely Ice beam and diffusion missile, possibly some Phazon overcharge stuff from prime. Unless Snake doesn't return. In this case, they'll just reskin Snake into Adam, and tweak the attacks to make them more metroidy. Final smash in this case will be Samus' ship from Fusion firing missiles at the stage (works just like snakes old one, with different blind spots)

Crack theory: Metroid gets three reps: Rundas, Ridley AND Anth/Adam. Rundas there as an apology for Other M. Some how pull off a mother brain "stage boss"

Zelda: Gannondorf FINALLY gets a moveset derived from the Zelda series, rather than Captain falcon. Tetra makes it in, maybe not with a toon Zelda.
"Shiek" possibly split from Zelda. Toon Zelda moves incorporated into Zelda's moveset if Shiek is split. If Zelda retains Shiek, Toon Zelda gets Tetra... all other moves are different.

Vaati and someone from Skyward make it to assists.
Hilda alt color for Zelda.

Crack theory: Vaati, tingle*, Ravio AND Groose make it to playble.
*This is almost a legit theory... since if it happened I wouldn't be surprised, just think its unlikely

Star Fox: Falco gets Arwing for final smash. Wolf returns, Krystal added. Krystal would bring a decent moveset with her. Krystal DOESN'T have the Star Fox Adventures outfit.

Crack theory: Landmaster for playable. Landmaster's Final smash is another landmaster. All starfox characters use Arwings instead. Also they find a way to bring Andross in by Gannondorfing up Diddy's moveset.


Kirby: Just the three from brawl rebalanced.
Possible assists based on helpers and maybe a few bosses.

Crack theory: Magolor, he HAS the move set needed to pull it off.
Adeliene, Zero, and Gooey AT. Gooey AT basically grants an "ice climber" with the players full moveset to whoever activates it.

F-Zero: Black shadow added to take Gannondorf's old moveset, so those that liked playing the old gannondorf still get to have it.

Crack theory F-zero also gets another character. Who I don't know.

Wario:
Either Mona or Captian Syrup. Ashley was only made an assist to allow her to be properly overpowered.
Kat and Ana remain ATs.

Crack theory That one princess from Wario Land 4. Uses the shadow's moves from the same game.

Kid icarus Medusa. She's a female villain. Even better than Captian syrup she'd fill this niche. Palutina remains as part of Pit's final smash.
Magnus as an assist trophy. Verdani? also an assist


crack theory: Palutina, Magus, verdani and PToo all make it in.

Earthbound No changes,
if any Claus/masked man, because they need at least an antag representative, and porkeys not that suited for playable.

Crack theory Giygas AT. And playble Flint.

Fire emblem If they don't just promote lyn to playable. Instead of Chrom; the tactician. Tactician will have his/her hood up to avoid needing to choose between looks, and will either have a girl/boy variant like wii fit, or just be androgynous to the point no one can tell. This would be a neat way to have a spell caster representative from FE in there. And Tactician was sort of in a few other games as well.
Crack theory Lyn, Anna, Roy, Chrom, and tactician all make it in. Tactician's final smash will be unit rush where any FE playable that ISN"T a playable or assist rushes across the screen. Yes. everyone from the ENTIRE FE series. Maybe as overworld icons.

Other R.O.B., G&W, ice climbers all return. Issac, Ray MKII and Little mac promoted.

Crack theory In ADDITION to the those six; Jill from drill dozer is promoted... and then Nintendo reaches back an brings in a character from before it made video games at all.

R.O.B gets ancient minister alt look.

In a continuity nod to subspace emissary mode in brawl, Master hand now looks like the nintendo power glove, suggesting he's now a cyborg. Crazy hand retains old look.

3rd party Either snake returns, or is replaced by Simon Belmont. Castlevania has a stronger presense on Nintendo than Snake at least.

Possible Pac man.

crack theory Both snake, and Simon.

[Chaoxys]

Mario: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Rosalina, Waluigi
Wario: Wario, Captain Syrup
Yoshi: Yoshi
Donkey Kong: DK, Diddy, Dixie
Zelda: Link, Toon Link, Zelda, Ganondorf
Pokemon: Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Trainer, Lucario, Mewtwo
Kirby: Kirby, Dedede, Metaknight
Metroid: Samus/ZSS, Ridley (oh wait too big)
Star Fox: Fox, Falco, Wolf
Kid Icarus: Pit, Palutena
Fire Emblem: Marth, Ike, Chrom
Mother: Ness, Lucas
F-Zero: Captain Falcon
Pikmin: Olimar
Animal Crossing: Villager
Nintendo Misc: Ice Climbers, ROB, Mr. G&W, Little Mac, Wii Fit Trainer, Lip, Mii, Issac
Third Party: Megaman, Sonic, Pac-Man

I don't actually expect Syrup, I just really want her in since Wario Land was a huge part of my childhood and it would be awesome to see her in 3D. Heck, I'd be happy to see her in trophy form.

[Koopaul]

So I made a "Just for fun" roster that includes a few characters that I think would be fun to see, but are hardly likely. So don't think I actually believe in this roster guys!

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