Pokemon, what happened to you?

[Sengir]

A majority of my complaints come from the new evolution methods.

Needing an attack to evolve? Area-based evolution? 3 new stones that could easily be replaced with older ones.

I don't care if it screws up the continuity, I prefer that over giving us real oddball methods of evolution.

I mean, I liked Tyrogue's creative evolution, but this is going too far.

So, the 4th gen should have been a sequel as well. Instead, they made 4th gen its own story arc, as well. No connections from the 3rd gen were made. You couldn't even go back to Hoenn.

That's because they were making it closer to a 2nd Gen sequel. All the Johto and Kanto references made it seem like the 3rd Gen was forgotten.

[Cshad]

What does that have to do with the overwhelming amount of legendaries? :|

It could have been an excuse for them to add odd typing combinations (ie fire/steel), that they were unable to add during normal gameplay? A lot of legendaries added were really good to use despite so many of them, it was probably a way for them too add more usable pokemon (in game), since we did not have a large diversity in the typing of pokemon until platinum came out. The amount of legendaries in this game was probably a big experiment to separate the god like legendaries like Arceus from more Folklore esque ones like Darkria.

[Sengir]

Then make the standard Pokemon better?

Or make the standard Pokemon not suck as much. I appreciate the designs like Bronzong or Chingling, but a lot of the 4th Gen seemed weak to me.

[Wes]

Well RSE are supposed to be taking place at the same time as RBGY. That's why you can trade between FRLG and RSE without a Time Machine. Sure you need a special long-distance trade machine, but they take place at the same time. Similarly, GSC take place at the same as DPPt. In Gen 4, you start out the game by watching a news story about a Red Gyarados and your rival wants to check your local lake for rare awesome Pokemon. If Gen 4 took place after Gen 2, the Red Gyarados wouldn't be there. So the timeline sort of goes RBGY/RSE/FRLG ---3 years---- GSC/DPPt/HGSS

[Sengir]

So it would make more sense that they should have made Gen 4 a sequel to Gen 3. At the very least they could've dropped more references to Hoenn.

[DioShiba]

Far as I think, the 3rd generation didn't have a direct sequel because Game freak probably feared that if they did the same thing with the 4th genration as with the 2nd generation, then fans would have probably been bitching why they couldn't have just added another direct sequel to the 2nd instead making the 3rd generation it's own storyline.

[TomGuycott]

heatran and the other terrible legendaries

Uh

Heatran is the only Competitively used Fire type aside from Infernape/Blaziken. And don't start going HURP DERP I DON'T PLAY COMPETITIVE it doesn't mean you can make silly baseless statements.

What I wonder though is why Heatran is even a legendary. He could've been some badass final evolution to an evolutionary line, or just have been an incredibly rare Pokemon that has only one evolution. And no, being a Legendary doesn't make it rare at all. Sure, rare in Pokemon continuity, but it always appears in the exact same way and same place. Laaame.

[Maxpphire]

Ok guys here goes me rant. Sorry for any misspelling of pokemon names as I don't care.

About the legendaries, Don't think of them all as legendaries for god's sake. I'm pretty sure that Shyman, manphie, and whatever other little hard to get pokemon that can breed and have very low stats is supposed to be the red Garados of the series, like holy shit am I really the only one who sees them like this?

Yes some of the legendaries are kinda pointless to have, but the retardly weak ones and the ones you can breed are the Red Garados of the series. If you are going to count them as legendaries then r/b/y has 6 Legendaries.

Now for the events in the games

Contests-
Added into the games just to give the games some new content, basically an idea that took from the show. You are not forced into doing them so why even bother complaining? Honestly, if you don't like them that much then just don't do them. Simple. I will do them when I'm bored but other then that they just kinda sit there.

The Pokedex-
Gen 2 has the best pokedex thing ever. Honestly the Radio and the Phone they should have kept in every single game after gen 2. I mean look at gen 4 and all the applications it has, I was kinda surprised to find out that it had no radio or phone.

The Pokemon-
They need to even out the types more. It seems like they need more fire, less water, and other things that need to be taken into account.

The villains-
Honestly with Emerald having two, it gets too confusing so it should only stay with one. Whatever they call it, it really doesn't matter to me, as long as they have a good backstory on what they are doing. Team Magma/Aqua has a good story to them, Team Rocket was mainly just stealing pokemon so villain wise Team Rocket were just fucking hoodrats while Team Magma/Aqua were the fucking Mafia.

The Storyline-
To be honest I think they all take place around the same time but each region is a country. Hence why to start off watching a news show about a Red Garados, it happened in another country, Hence why you don't just find one randomly sitting in the lake but find a shiny Magikarp instead. I do think that there could be a few years difference between each game due to the "time machine" things to trade between games but other then that different countries just seems to work better. Particularly with what it shown in Gen 2 and the fact that you can travel between regions it's like traveling between America and Canada.

[Vipershark]

Gen 2 is definitely a sequel to Gen 1. It happens 10(?) years after Gen 1 does.

as for Gen 3 and Gen 4, there is no indication that they are direct sequels.

According to a few posts back, Gen 4 is happening at the same time as Gen 2, but there is no official word on it.

all that's known is that Gen 2 is officially a Gen 1 sequel in the same timeline.

[Maxpphire]

I think the reason why Gen 2 is known as the sequel is because you can travel between both regions and not just travel around one. Show me officially were it says that Gen 2 takes place so many years after Gen 1. They are all Sequels just it's more noticeable with Gen 2 due to were you can travel to.

I still think that all games take place around the same time.

[Vipershark]

well... it's obvious

same gym leaders (except gary is the 8th gym), same elite 4 (well, a couple of different ones, and koga is elite 4, for example) the characters look more mature (misty, for example), and the fact that you fight Red, the hero of the previous game who is now a pokemon master at this point.

I'm not going to do a search for official word on it, but it's an obvious sequel.

[JoshR691]

Gen 2 is definitely a sequel to Gen 1. It happens 10(?) years after Gen 1 does.

as for Gen 3 and Gen 4, there is no indication that they are direct sequels.

According to a few posts back, Gen 4 is happening at the same time as Gen 2, but there is no official word on it.

all that's known is that Gen 2 is officially a Gen 1 sequel in the same timeline.

Gen. 2 takes place three years after the first

Gen. 4's usually seen as taking place right after, or even during the 2nd Gen. because Jasmine makes a cameo in Sunyshore City, and seems to be the same age (unlike...say Misty, who changed her hair)

Edit: @ Lunkya: I think Team Rocket says something about it being three years since they disbanded

[Locked Achievement]

Hang on, are you going by when the were made?

[Maxpphire]

Gen 2 is definitely a sequel to Gen 1. It happens 10(?) years after Gen 1 does.

as for Gen 3 and Gen 4, there is no indication that they are direct sequels.

According to a few posts back, Gen 4 is happening at the same time as Gen 2, but there is no official word on it.

all that's known is that Gen 2 is officially a Gen 1 sequel in the same timeline.

Gen. 2 takes place three years after the first

Gen. 4's usually seen as taking place right after, or even during the 2nd Gen. because Jasmine makes a cameo in Sunyshore City, and seems to be the same age (unlike...say Misty, who changed her hair)

Edit: @ Lunkya: I think Team Rocket says something about it being three years since they disbanded

Pretty sure that Team Rocket still exists in Gen 2. After all they take over the radio tower and things.

[Vipershark]

Yeah. They do.

Red disbands them in Gen 1, then three years later they get back together in Johto, only to have Gold disband them permanently.

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Hang on, are you going by when the were made?

No, we're going by what's going on in the game.

Gen 2 happens 3 years after Gen 1 does, in the pokemon timeline.

Gen 4 is speculated to happen during or just after Gen 2.

There is no indication of when Gen 3 takes place. I'd assume it's after Gens 2 and 4, though.