Lecture from a Noob! *Yay*

[Jalopes]

tbh he ALMOST has a point

barely, but kind of

I mean, most of the sprites look pretty damn good right now. They already look good enough for animations to start being made, and that's really what has to get done.

[Tarvonas]

Thank you, Glukom. You didn't generalize my opinion into something it isn't.

That's exactly what I'm saying in simpler terms. They look good now. They look great now. Further changes are really unnecessary (with the exception that some characters are unfinished). I think that what's important now is to begin work on animations for other characters besides Sukapon, Kirby and Porky (which I must say are looking really nice).

Now I'd like to help out around here, but sadly, I can't sprite for peanuts. I suppose I can edit alright, and I'll post what I do with sukapon. Not saying that it'll be good, and I just know It'll get ranted like hell, because I've obviously lowered my reputation around here, but it's something that others can at least work around.

[D2S-Speed]

Okay, you have got to be the biggest dick I've ever met on this forum. Like Iceman said your first post is a Rant about how are sprites aren't being done. Well why don't you stop ranting shitty post on this Sub-forum and actually go and help sprite some of this stuff. (That is if you can sprite at all)

I was working on a few Sukapon moves right now

Nah you didn't help before we don't need it now. So continuing this next time think before you come in to a forum and think you are telling us how to do this project, when you have been on the sidelines doing absolutely nothing.

Oh yeah and here is a little Welcome present to the Forums:

[ThePortalGuru]

I'm new here. In fact, this is my first post, and even I know not to go telling professionals how to do their jobs. Presenting the argument that criticism isn't necessary is just ridiculous to me. Stuff like revision of design and animation is necessary every step of the way to make sure the game retains the glossy quality it has made it to as of now. Would you rather have crappy sprites, rushed and labeled as "perfect" despite obvious flaws?

I may not have lurked here very long, but I can tell everyone thoroughly involved in this project wants it to come out as good as possible, and if it takes more time, the payoff will definitely be worth it. At any rate, Runouw is hard at work on another project now, giving TSR quite a bit of time to work on graphics before he commits all his effort into the Smash Bros Project.

Just my non-spriter view on the issue.

[Alpha Six]

You're still sounding like a huge dick here, giving us "crits" without actually actively participating in the project itself. It's really stupid to make your first post a wall of text about what we're doing wrong. We already know what problems we have, some random guy rashly accusing us of being egomaniacal jerks isn't going to make things better.

I'm sure that if you had a message board, and one of us registered and our first post was "what you're all doing wrong" without actively being a participant in the boards, I'm sure we'd look like the jerks instead of you. That's not the case however.

And if we find a problem with a sprite, whether or not you notice it, other people do-- other people that have been actively participating and maybe even actively spriting for quite a bit. You may not notice it, but if a large majority of people notice it, then there's a problem and it needs to be fixed.

tSR is a community of spriters. Don't start criticizing us on criticizing others, because it's what we're supposed to do. If we let "small mistakes" just fly by, the spriter will not improve. This isn't just about "creating a game," it's about "improving our current skill levels while participating in a community project."

[Jalopes]

and yeah, im sorry but some of the insults youre getting are kind of deserved

you really didnt go about doing this well

a whole topic and wall of text was totally unnecessary, and the way you said it made you sound pretty arrogant


(honestly though i think the above brawler1207 post is totally ridiculous and is just as poorly thought out as the op)

[Alpha Six]

I can't sprite

You just shot holes in your own argument. You can't sprite, so you don't even know what "quality" is and what it isn't.

Your entire first post is now completely invalid.

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By the way, you can hate me as much as you want-- because in the end, I'm only doing my job as a moderator and a pixel artist who loves his job, and protecting the profession that I actually live off, and helping novice pixel artists improve.

[D2S-Speed]

Also how is the sprite style harder than it was before?

[slut]

post full of ignorance

wow

stop posting, you incompetent swine

[Alpha Six]

Also how is the sprite style harder than it was before?

I would like to know this as well, since the new style is overall much simpler and easier to pick up than the old style that tried too hard to be semi-realistic and completely emulate Brawl in pixel form.

[Jalopes]

I can't sprite

You just shot holes in your own argument. You can't sprite, so you don't even know what "quality" is and what it isn't.

Your entire first post is now completely invalid.

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By the way, you can hate me as much as you want-- because in the end, I'm only doing my job as a moderator and a pixel artist who loves his job, and protecting the profession that I actually live off, and helping novice pixel artists improve.

Well I dunno about that, the whole "non-spriters can't give crit on sprites" idea is pretty dumb.

I don't want to write this guy out entirely - some of you guys are simply insulting him (not somebody like tyvon btw, who's actually rationalizing his arguments), which is really not what you should be doing. Obviously he cares about the project and wants to see it succeed, and I think he even cares a little about his reputation, considering he apologized last page. He just really didn't illustrate his point well, and came off as an arrogant ass initially. I don't think he is, I just think he's a guy that feels something was a problem and wanted to say it - it's just the way he did it was fucking awful.

[Tarvonas]

Okay, you have got to be the biggest dick I've ever met on this forum. Like Iceman said your first post is a Rant about how are sprites aren't being done. Well why don't you stop ranting shitty post on this Sub-forum and actually go and help sprite some of this stuff. (That is if you can sprite at all)

I was working on a few Sukapon moves right now

Nah you didn't help before we don't need it now. So continuing this next time think before you come in to a forum and think you are telling us how to do this project, when you have been on the sidelines doing absolutely nothing.

Oh yeah and here is a little Welcome present to the Forums:

Please man, for the last time, I'm not telling you guys how you should sprite! I'm suggesting something for the benefit of the project! If you so truly hate suggestions, just say so.

I've been on the sidelines observing. Watching and learning how you guys work. To say I was doing absolutely nothing is a bit of an accusation, wouldn't you say?

Anyway, as I was observing, I noticed often that someone would point something out in a wonderful sprite and say it needs editing. Despite the sprite looking really good and all, the spriter then has to change the arm or whatever, adn thus waste time that could otherwise not have been wasted. Sure, maybe the new arm looks a little better, but does it really matter all that much? as I've said maybe three times already, perfection is not something you guys should necessarily be aiming for. Now if it weren't for those kinds of little criticisms I called "pointless" earlier, don't you agree that this project would be making some seriously awesome progress?

And @ Alpha Six: Just because I can't sprite doesn't mean I don't know what looks good and what doesn't. You don't have to be a spriter to appreciate a sprite. That's like saying I have to be an artist to like a painting, and accept that it looks good. All you should be aiming for is to make the sprites look good to the public. If you can do that, you've succeeded.

And for the love of god, people! I'm not saying criticism isn't necessary! Quote me on where I actually said that, for heavens sake! I said Pointless criticism. Pointless criticism being criticism on a perfectly good sprite, which was uneeded, and innevitably slows progress. To make someone almost completely redo a sprite to curve it's arms a bit more or something is a bit of a waste of time, don't you think? That's simply what I'm getting at.

[Alpha Six]

It's not necessarily "non-spriters," but if said user hasn't actually sprited, they're more and more likely to come off as wrong. Especially when they bring up completely invalid arguments as an effort to save face. :l

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I'm not saying criticism isn't necessary! Quote me on where I actually said that, for heavens sake!

I said Pointless criticism

You're welcome.


(hint: there is no such thing as pointless criticism unless it's completely wrong-- which none of the criticism in the sprites here ever is. :l

[Jalopes]

well really i don't think there is any pointless criticism

Anything to help make a sprite improve is necessary, unless the crit doesn't actually help anything.

[Tarvonas]

post full of ignorance

wow

stop posting, you incompetent swine

I could say so many things about how much of a waste of time posting that was. But I'll refrain from using harsh words, because I don't want to lessen my reputation any more than I already have.

Keep in mind guys the sprites will constantly be in motion. This will give the viewer little time to actually point out any slight errors, you know?

And I'm saying the spriting style is harder because... I'm going to need another whole wall of writing for this. But if you guys find it easier, so be it. Who am I to say that, right?

Please guys, just stop posting crude things. I've stopped, and I've apologized numerous times. I'm finding it really quite silly how people are taking advantage of how I'm not arguing back anymore.