Dark Knight Rises killings in Aurora

[Jamuk]

Tighter gun laws are definitely something that needs doing in the US. There are no shops that allow you to just walk in and buy a gun here in the UK without some sort of specialist licence. There are far fewer incidents of this nature as well, though you could argue that this is because we have a population many times smaller.

[Kami]

Tighter gun laws are definitely something that needs doing in the US. There are no shops that allow you to just walk in and buy a gun here in the UK without some sort of specialist licence. There are far fewer incidents of this nature as well, though you could argue that this is because we have a population many times smaller.

Population has nothing to do with it. Japan has a much larger population than the US, yet their crime rate is much lower than the US's.
It's more of a culturaly and presonal influence than just saying poulation is the cause.
The mental state of the person is also another possible factor.

[Lemonray]

Tighter gun laws are definitely something that needs doing in the US. There are no shops that allow you to just walk in and buy a gun here in the UK without some sort of specialist licence. There are far fewer incidents of this nature as well, though you could argue that this is because we have a population many times smaller.

The UK has actually experienced more gun crime since guns started being restricted/banned, and never had the same proportionate amount of gun-related crimes as the US anyway.

Now, look at Switzerland. Loads of people there have guns, yet gun crime is incredibly rare.
Guns aren't to blame for gun-related crime. Violent people, stupid people and wannabe "gangstas" are.

[Kitsu]

I cannot thank the above post enough.

[Goemar]

Guns aren't to blame for gun-related crime. Violent people, stupid people and wannabe "gangstas" are.

But if it's harder for these people to get guns then that's always a good thing. If someone REALLY wants to get a gun, they can get a gun. No matter where they are. But with tighter gun laws your common idiot isn't going to be able to get one and that could be a few people not killed.

In this case, as he had a whole building rigged to blow, he probably could have got one anyway but that's besides the point.

[DioShiba]

I think a lot of people forget that we can't just outright ban guns in America because of the 2nd Amendment (right to bear arms).

Even if the government wanted to reverse that amendment it would take a butt fuck ton of money and time to do so, and I'm sure the fuck tards and douche nozzles in the Government don't want to waste any more money then they have to for something that has been a part of this government since it started. True each state can regulate guns but it's not like they can take them off the market with out people bitching about it.

[Lemonray]

Guns aren't to blame for gun-related crime. Violent people, stupid people and wannabe "gangstas" are.

But if it's harder for these people to get guns then that's always a good thing. If someone REALLY wants to get a gun, they can get a gun. No matter where they are. But with tighter gun laws your common idiot isn't going to be able to get one and that could be a few people not killed.

In this case, as he had a whole building rigged to blow, he probably could have got one anyway but that's besides the point.

Making guns harder to obtain would lead to less good and decent civilians using them to stop crimes, too. In America, there are about 11,000 people killed by guns every year, however, every year there are 2.5 million crimes stopped by guns. In a lot of these cases, the guns aren't even fired.

People who are idiots, of course, shouldn't be able to access guns as easily as normal people but there's no reason to make guns less available for both parties. It's just a matter of weeding the undesirables out.

Undesirables, meaning guys like this:

[Dazz]

The whole gun-law conversation never ends. There's a pro and con to every point made, and in the end, the debate is futile for the argument of restriction due to your amendments.

I have my opinion on the matter, but I know it's both right and wrong. I'm sure everybody posting here also knows that their points are both right and wrong.
It's such a tough situation to come up so late in the country's development that it will never change, because it would cause HUGE outrage.
So the argument for guns will have to win the fight, because you have a piece of paper that agrees with you, and that's more that can be said for the other opinion.


I'd also like to chime in and say, we in the UK also have the "gangster" teens scene going on, don't think it's just the US. We just have more knife crime because knives don't need a licence and can be bought in Poundland.

[[robo9]]

However what need is there for any civilian to have a semi automatic assault rifle? We do have the right to bear arms, but there should be limits.

[DioShiba]

Thing is with the weapons Holmes used I'm willing to guarantee he got them through the black market. I don't see how there would be any other way for him to obtain those weapons unless he knew someone in the military and stole the guns.

There's simply no way you can get a Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle like that by normal means, same with the tear gas. The average civilian probably wouldn't think about getting weapons like those unless they were a part of the mafia or a gang.

[Thumbtacks]

Man they should just make murder illegal, that'll stop all this from happening.

[Kami]

It's obvious that murdering is already illegal or he wouldn't have been arrested.

[Gaia]

Guns aren't to blame for gun-related crime. Violent people, stupid people and wannabe "gangstas" are.

But if it's harder for these people to get guns then that's always a good thing. If someone REALLY wants to get a gun, they can get a gun. No matter where they are. But with tighter gun laws your common idiot isn't going to be able to get one and that could be a few people not killed.

In this case, as he had a whole building rigged to blow, he probably could have got one anyway but that's besides the point.

Making guns harder to obtain would lead to less good and decent civilians using them to stop crimes, too. In America, there are about 11,000 people killed by guns every year, however, every year there are 2.5 million crimes stopped by guns. In a lot of these cases, the guns aren't even fired.

People who are idiots, of course, shouldn't be able to access guns as easily as normal people but there's no reason to make guns less available for both parties. It's just a matter of weeding the undesirables out.

Undesirables, meaning guys like this:

That and children, you have NO idea when a tot is somehow able to get ahold of a gun, which is a parent's worst nightmare. Which is why the gun law requires one to be a certain age in the first place, yet people bypass this law easy for what-have-you.

As for the whole nuke thing, I was (trying to) referring to the previous film. The tactical nuke is an explosive. And explosives were used in the two boat scene in the previous batman film, and the culprit allegedly rigged his house to "go boom" with explosives.

[Previous]

Man they should just make murder illegal, that'll stop all this from happening.

It's obvious that murdering is already illegal or he wouldn't have been arrested.

Sarkasm on the internet. Every hit a miss.

[Kriven]

Sure, civilians are entitled to firearms. I don't think they're entitled to five. Two firearms per licensee, only hand guns (defense) and hunting rifles (Uh, duh) need to be available. Anything else is simply to masturbate yourself with an ammunition chain.

Thing is with the weapons Holmes used I'm willing to guarantee he got them through the black market. I don't see how there would be any other way for him to obtain those weapons unless he knew someone in the military and stole the guns.

There's simply no way you can get a Semi-Automatic Assault Rifle like that by normal means, same with the tear gas. The average civilian probably wouldn't think about getting weapons like those unless they were a part of the mafia or a gang.

The police already confirmed that all of his firearms were bought from several gun shops over a period of two months. Including the AR.