Calling Bullshit regarding what happened last night

[Alpha Six]

are you in there now? no? haven't been in there for the last few months? still no? didn't think so. please keep quiet unless what you have to say is at all related to the discussion i am trying to calmly have with the moderation.

i will enjoy burning for the awful offense of being a ?????

Aww, you're cute, you think you can patronise me, and the fact that you and your friends openly hate the whole forum, and routinely insult the site owner and administration team is unimportant.
Seriously, that's adorable.

And I said that "personally" I say you guys can burn, if you want to make it personal I've got no problem with that but we're trying to have a civilized discussion here.

saying "you guys can burn" is very civilized indeed, i could learn a thing or two from you!


and i didn't realize that you being in our chat once, over a year ago, means that you know what we talk about on a daily basis (big hint: it's not tsr, and unless you have proof that says otherwise (you wouldn't happen to have that would you??? would you????????), you are irrelevant in this particular discussion)

[Crappy Blue Luigi]

tyvon, i don't know you, or your friends. i don't know any of this "skypekrew" stuff, how it relates to anything, or even if it relates to anything. i haven't been around long enough, nor at the right times to fully understand what's going on. what i don't get is why you, sam, gillian, and others, have chosen to present your arguments with this sarcastic, ironic tone.

wow, i'm talking about you doing a bad job as a moderator because you're doing a bad job as a moderator? perish the thought!

yeah, gordon is a reeeeeal rulebreaker isn't he? for doing awful, rude, insulting things such as;

also worth noting that a bunch of people you banned haven't posted in months. is not posting for a while and then posting again a bannable offense? whoooops sorry guys

i will enjoy burning for the awful offense of being a ?????

i won't speak for the validity of your arguments, because i simply do not know the situation and likely never will, but phrasing your posts in this way does nothing to help your point, and only makes people angry. at the moment, i'm trying to listen to both sides to try to get a fuller understanding of what's happened, and it honestly feels like you're arguing with your frustration instead of a need for truth, and you're resorting to emotional appeals and tricks in order to anger site staff until they admit they just hate you and your attitude.

i'm not about to say only your side is doing this, but i notice it most in your posts.

you don't have to listen to me, since i'm just a lowly sprite moderator of, what, a couple of months? but i think everything could be more civil and less heated if you could try to sum up your argument without resorting to snarky discourse.

[Alpha Six]

Did you miss the part where they were perpetuating bullshit?

I mean, really. Look at the post history. You (they) do nothing but leave for several months and then come back when one of their precious friends gets insulted to start shit. As I said repeatedly before, if the only reason you're here is to complain, you shouldn't be here.

the only "bullshit" that sam was perpetuating was that you decided to use someone's sprite topic to tell them to stop using a built-in board function, and then when you (or whoever it was) deleted it, he reposted it

gordon didn't perpetuate anything, he posted A Gif.

Yes, way to completely ignore the part where they're perpetuating the cycle of shitting up the forum, leaving for several months, and then coming back to do... the same thing. As far as gordon specifically, please point out a single post by gordon after February 2012 where he didn't insult someone or shitpost. (Hint: You can't) Either way, gordon still made an alt so it's not like he's getting unbanned.

and algony and ark pretty much exclusively posted in the spam forum, except ark calling out gors for the very same thing i referenced in my earlier post, which still hasn't been touched upon, much like the other questions i asked.

http://www.spriters-resource.com/communi...?tid=21894
This... wasn't the spam forum?
News to me.

what's his warn log look like? you warned him for shitposting, right? right?


as for those "shitposts", i assme you can't actually read between the lines, at all, and just dismiss the fact that they are all calling you out for verbally warning a member for using smileys. but oh no they're doing it in a silly way so it's clearly shitposting and nothing else.

i'm not going to justify their "shitposting" but i don't understand why you are so very vehement to unban gordon of all people who, according to his ban log, did nothing wrong after february 2012. the thing he "did wrong" was make an alt-- after you unfairly permabanned him. reminder. PERMA ban. for a FIRST offense.

[Vipershark]

are you in there now? no? haven't been in there for the last few months? still no? didn't think so. please keep quiet unless what you have to say is at all related to the discussion i am trying to calmly have with the moderation.

i will enjoy burning for the awful offense of being a ?????

Aww, you're cute, you think you can patronise me, and the fact that you and your friends openly hate the whole forum, and routinely insult the site owner and administration team is unimportant.
Seriously, that's adorable.

And I said that "personally" I say you guys can burn, if you want to make it personal I've got no problem with that but we're trying to have a civilized discussion here.

saying "you guys can burn" is very civilized indeed, i could learn a thing or two from you!


and i didn't realize that you being in our chat once, over a year ago, means that you know what we talk about on a daily basis (big hint: it's not tsr, and unless you have proof that says otherwise (you wouldn't happen to have that would you??? would you????????), you are irrelevant in this particular discussion)

it's funny because i have over a year's worth of skrew logs that say exactly that

but that's not the point. we're not here to discuss skrew so drop it.

[Alpha Six]

tyvon, i don't know you, or your friends. i don't know any of this "skypekrew" stuff, how it relates to anything, or even if it relates to anything. i haven't been around long enough, nor at the right times to fully understand what's going on. what i don't get is why you, sam, gillian, and others, have chosen to present your arguments with this sarcastic, ironic tone.

pz literally just told us to burn and vipershark is quite obviously being sarcastic and condescending

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are you in there now? no? haven't been in there for the last few months? still no? didn't think so. please keep quiet unless what you have to say is at all related to the discussion i am trying to calmly have with the moderation.

i will enjoy burning for the awful offense of being a ?????

Aww, you're cute, you think you can patronise me, and the fact that you and your friends openly hate the whole forum, and routinely insult the site owner and administration team is unimportant.
Seriously, that's adorable.

And I said that "personally" I say you guys can burn, if you want to make it personal I've got no problem with that but we're trying to have a civilized discussion here.

saying "you guys can burn" is very civilized indeed, i could learn a thing or two from you!


and i didn't realize that you being in our chat once, over a year ago, means that you know what we talk about on a daily basis (big hint: it's not tsr, and unless you have proof that says otherwise (you wouldn't happen to have that would you??? would you????????), you are irrelevant in this particular discussion)

it's funny because i have over a year's worth of skrew logs that say exactly that

but that's not the point. we're not here to discuss skrew so drop it.

i'm not the one that brought it up

and i'm glad you have a year's worth of logs. anything recent?

[Crappy Blue Luigi]

pz literally just told us to burn and vipershark is quite obviously being sarcastic and condescending

i'm not about to say only your side is doing this, but i notice it most in your posts.

please don't ignore my point. if they're doing the same thing, be the better man and don't do it too.

[Alpha Six]

pz literally just told us to burn and vipershark is quite obviously being sarcastic and condescending

i'm not about to say only your side is doing this, but i notice it most in your posts.

please don't ignore my point. if they're doing the same thing, be the better man and don't do it too.

so it's totally okay that your community does it, as long as i don't do it back.

gotcha!

[Vipershark]

Did you miss the part where they were perpetuating bullshit?

I mean, really. Look at the post history. You (they) do nothing but leave for several months and then come back when one of their precious friends gets insulted to start shit. As I said repeatedly before, if the only reason you're here is to complain, you shouldn't be here.

the only "bullshit" that sam was perpetuating was that you decided to use someone's sprite topic to tell them to stop using a built-in board function, and then when you (or whoever it was) deleted it, he reposted it

gordon didn't perpetuate anything, he posted A Gif.

Yes, way to completely ignore the part where they're perpetuating the cycle of shitting up the forum, leaving for several months, and then coming back to do... the same thing. As far as gordon specifically, please point out a single post by gordon after February 2012 where he didn't insult someone or shitpost. (Hint: You can't) Either way, gordon still made an alt so it's not like he's getting unbanned.

and algony and ark pretty much exclusively posted in the spam forum, except ark calling out gors for the very same thing i referenced in my earlier post, which still hasn't been touched upon, much like the other questions i asked.

http://www.spriters-resource.com/communi...?tid=21894
This... wasn't the spam forum?
News to me.

what's his warn log look like? you warned him for shitposting, right? right?


as for those "shitposts", i assme you can't actually read between the lines, at all, and just dismiss the fact that they are all calling you out for verbally warning a member for using smileys. but oh no they're doing it in a silly way so it's clearly shitposting and nothing else.

i'm not going to justify their "shitposting" but i don't understand why you are so very vehement to unban gordon of all people who, according to his ban log, did nothing wrong after february 2012. the thing he "did wrong" was make an alt-- after you unfairly permabanned him. reminder. PERMA ban. for a FIRST offense.

Did you just seriously not read a single word i said because, uh
february 2012 was when he STARTED doing things wrong

It's funny how you're trying to make me look bad for asking someone not to use smilies in every single post (NOTE!!!! I NEVER SAID TO STOP USING SMILIES. I SAID STOP USING THEM SO MUCH. I NEVER WARNED HIM OR DEMANDED ANYTHING. OTHERWISE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE I DID THIS) when that isn't even what this issue is about, tyvon.

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that you[r friends] are toxic shitstains who do absolutely nothing here but insult people, criticize the moderation, and cause problems in general.

Gordon hadn't made a post that contributed anything in 10 months, then comes back out of the blue after several months (again) only for the reason of shitposting when his precious friends are told to stop using a site that they don't even like.
If the permabans stop this from happening, then they're justified.

[Keiang]

Okay, so I'm kind of an unrelated third party in this, but it seems like this is going nowhere really fast. If this is to be a proper discussion about the bans, you should probably examine each issue one at a time, so it's less of a complete and utter clusterfuck.

Firstly, there seems to be a lot of debate as to what set this off, since apparently there's some douchey message hidden between the lines of Vipershark's post. This is the post Viper made asking SupaBuddie to stop using smilies so much. I'm not sure if you're interpreting this post differently than I am or what, but it seems relatively polite to me. While smilies are a built in function of the forum, most people tend not to use them excessively. In SupaBuddie's case, he doesn't seem to be the most internet savvy guy, so Vipershark's comment seems more like netiquette advice than a demand to stop using the function.

That's my two cents, but if you want to talk about the message between the lines I think understanding each other's viewpoints would be beneficial for everyone involved.

[Alpha Six]

Did you just seriously not read a single word i said because, uh
february 2012 was when he STARTED doing things wrong

so why didn't you warn him when he started doing these alleged things wrong? really, i want to know! if it was that bad i'm sure you would have warned him at least a few times for it, especially since sam got warned for swearing, which your administrator also did, and, technically, does with every single post he makes (user title).

You're conveniently ignoring the fact that you[r friends] are toxic shitstains who do absolutely nothing here but insult people, criticize the moderation, and cause problems in general.

haha, get this, maybe if you actually took our critiques into consideration and stopped acting hotheaded and doing shit just because you can, nobody would have a problem at all! i know it's incredibly easy to dismiss us because we're not Wow Super Serious all of the time, but it's also incredibly irresponsible to do so, especially when we raise valid points and you dismiss them with "UGH WHY DON'T YOU JUST LEAVE THEN"

that isn't even what this issue is about, tyvon.

so what's the big, singular issue then? because this is the issue that we've talked about the most. you also haven't touched upon any of the other previous callouts, including the ones in which you and your community personally insulted me over advice and did not apologize or show contempt for your unnecessary actions in the slightest. quite frankly, i think that deserves critique.

[PatientZero]

and i didn't realize that you being in our chat once, over a year ago, means that you know what we talk about on a daily basis (big hint: it's not tsr, and unless you have proof that says otherwise (you wouldn't happen to have that would you??? would you????????), you are irrelevant in this particular discussion)

Oh wow.
I know exactly what you're getting at, so you've actually been sucked into that paranoid delusional fantasy too?
That's...that's certainly something.
I confess! I'm teh uber h4xx0r and I spent 24/7 stalking my crazy ex, your current "girlfriend" (my sympathies) because I have literally nothing else going on in my life, and I've somehow invented amazing hacking tools that do impossible things too!
Might want to take another look at things and think about which one of us really has the unhealthy paranoid obsession, that's all I'm saying.

Information is my thing, and you guys haemorrhage it all over public spaces, I come across it near constantly while I do my rounds and if you want any more details my consultation fees are very reasonable.

You never post here, and came back to defend your friends who got banned and to demand an apology while wearing a plastic smile, I am the brother of the site owner and know first hand that this whole thing is just a joke to you guys in the first place.
One of us is certainly irrelevant, but it's not me.

[Crappy Blue Luigi]

pz literally just told us to burn and vipershark is quite obviously being sarcastic and condescending

i'm not about to say only your side is doing this, but i notice it most in your posts.

please don't ignore my point. if they're doing the same thing, be the better man and don't do it too.

so it's totally okay that your community does it, as long as i don't do it back.

gotcha!

it's not okay for anybody to do it! it's a tactic that relies purely on triggering negative emotions to make the opponent forfeit out of frustration. by continuing to talk in this way, you're proving my point that you just want to rile up the moderation staff so that they don't make any coherent arguments, so you can knock them down even more easily.

for example, in your post right there, you assumed that anything i hadn't said in my post was something i didn't have qualm with, and you did this in order to make my argument seem flimsy. in this state, it's a lot easier to take me down, huh? that's a Straw Man fallacy.

again, i'm not saying you don't have valid points, but when you back them up with fallacious arguments, then i can't take them seriously.

[Alpha Six]

and i didn't realize that you being in our chat once, over a year ago, means that you know what we talk about on a daily basis (big hint: it's not tsr, and unless you have proof that says otherwise (you wouldn't happen to have that would you??? would you????????), you are irrelevant in this particular discussion)

Oh wow.
I know exactly what you're getting at, so you've actually been sucked into that paranoid delusional fantasy too?
That's...that's certainly something.
I confess! I'm teh uber h4xx0r and I spent 24/7 stalking my crazy ex, your current "girlfriend" (my sympathies) because I have literally nothing else going on in my life, and I've somehow invented amazing hacking tools that do impossible things too!
Might want to take another look at things and think about which one of us really has the unhealthy paranoid obsession, that's all I'm saying.

Information is my thing, and you guys haemorrhage it all over public spaces, I come across it near constantly while I do my rounds and if you want any more details my consultation fees are very reasonable.

You never post here, and came back to defend your friends who got banned and to demand an apology while wearing a plastic smile, I am the brother of the site owner and know first hand that this whole thing is just a joke to you guys in the first place.
One of us is certainly irrelevant, but it's not me.

so what were you saying about being civilized again

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again, i'm not saying you don't have valid points, but when you back them up with fallacious arguments, then i can't take them seriously.

what "fallacious" argument have i made?

[[robo9]]

Just a question, fro what I understand Kohirro has had a tendency to "shitpost," especially for a good while. This is Covered under not being stupid evidently. I just have to ask though, since this is evidently not the first time it's happened, has Kojirro been warned before of this behaviour?

[DioShiba]

pz literally just told us to burn and vipershark is quite obviously being sarcastic and condescending

i'm not about to say only your side is doing this, but i notice it most in your posts.

please don't ignore my point. if they're doing the same thing, be the better man and don't do it too.

so it's totally okay that your community does it, as long as i don't do it back.

gotcha!

it's not okay for anybody to do it! it's a tactic that relies purely on triggering negative emotions to make the opponent forfeit out of frustration. by continuing to talk in this way, you're proving my point that you just want to rile up the moderation staff so that they don't make any coherent arguments, so you can knock them down even more easily.

for example, in your post right there, you assumed that anything i hadn't said in my post was something i didn't have qualm with, and you did this in order to make my argument seem flimsy. in this state, it's a lot easier to take me down, huh? that's a Straw Man fallacy.

again, i'm not saying you don't have valid points, but when you back them up with fallacious arguments, then i can't take them seriously.

Looking at this in their perspective though it seems like the moderation staff seems to target a specific group of members that are being sarcastic. Even though everyone is.

Over the years I've been here to it's actually pretty true too. I've seen it happen all to often, and other people do the exact same thing and nothing is really done about it.

All I'm saying is that the moderation shouldn't pick out certain members to ban just for being sarcastic. Even if was uncalled for it doesn't justify a ban at all.