Calling Bullshit regarding what happened last night

[Vipershark]

Guess what? I've got more than a year of logs.

That's not the point.
I don't give a single shit about skrew or what's said in there anymore. My issue is with what's posted here.
Skrew is irrelevant.

[Previous]

May I add constant demonstration of disrespect towards the staff?

It's nice if you tell someone that they shouldn't post in an as provocating manner as they do since that constantly leads to conflict and the only reply you get is "It's my character".

I should also mention that complaining about moderation by making posts of the kind of those mentioned - in a completely unserious manner - pretty much instantly disqualifies you from being taken serious. If you treat me as if I'd be absurdly stupid and incompetent, I won't be able to take you serious either. When you show no respect for me, don't expect any from my side. One may think that's unprofessional, certainly, but the mentioned way of complaining isn't any more professional either. Just as intentionally playing dumb.

Furthermore, if you intentionally provocate, you shouldn't complain about people getting upset.

On a related note, if you disagree with pretty much the whole staff and how they manage a forum, you're probably at the wrong place and should just switch to one that's more of your liking. If it's single staff members or actions being an issue, there's a point in discussing them, but if it's the whole, there probably isn't.


Recap: If you actually want to be taken serious with your complaints about the moderation, discuss it in a serious manner.

This isn't necessarily directed at this thread but rather at the cause.

[Kairos]

if skrew is irrelevant why ban a person in skrew because he posted a fucking gif in a shitpost section

[Vipershark]

For fuck's sake.
We're talking in circles.
He wasn't banned because of skrew, he was banned because of a history of similar incidents.

Either read the thread, or shut up.
I shouldn't have to explain this 90 times

[PrettyNier]

That's not the point.
I don't give a single shit about skrew or what's said in there anymore. My issue is with what's posted here.
Skrew is irrelevant.

which is fine, yo
because i didnt say that in response to you

i'd think you would be able to look at the quote and say 'wow did i say this/??? ?um i think i did not' or 'i think i did!' (but that would make you delusional)

so all in all i'm not sure why you said this.

He wasn't banned because of skrew, he was banned because of a history of similar incidents.

and these incidents were how far back? you're failing to justify a present reason for a ban and instead falling back on that argument, which doesn't really mean much of anything at all!

if a present action does not necessitate a ban, then a ban shouldn't be given out. "past-experience" does not intrinsically make any action better or worse!

[Vipershark]

That's not the point.
I don't give a single shit about skrew or what's said in there anymore. My issue is with what's posted here.
Skrew is irrelevant.

which is fine, yo
because i didnt say that in response to you

i'd think you would be able to look at the quote and say 'wow did i say this/??? ?um i think i did not' or 'i think i did!' (but that would make you delusional)

so all in all i'm not sure why you said this.

I meant drop it.
Skrew is irrelevant to this thread.

He wasn't banned because of skrew, he was banned because of a history of similar incidents.

and these incidents were how far back? you're failing to justify a present reason for a ban and instead falling back on that argument, which doesn't really mean much of anything at all!

if a present action does not necessitate a ban, then a ban shouldn't be given out. "past-experience" does not intrinsically make any action better or worse!

Should I use the analogy I did earlier again?

If the school bully has a history of kicking your face in every time you see him, you don't go around expecting him to NOT kick your face in the next time you see him. You don't continue to think "oh, maybe he'll be different this time" when there's years of history of this happening every time you confront him.

This time, instead of letting the bully get away with it, we kicked him back in the face.

How's the saying go? "if we forget history, we're doomed to repeat it" or something like that.

[PrettyNier]

posting a .gif is literally kicking someone in the face

someone kicked you in the face a few times before and then they show up again
they're wearing boots
thats what they wore last time they kicked you in the face

you slice their throat and then piss on the carcass

that's a more accurate example, really

I meant drop it.
Skrew is irrelevant to this thread.

No, actually, it's currently irrelevant to you; whether or not it is irrelevant to PatientZero - the person i was talking to! - is a completely different matter.

I confess! I'm teh uber h4xx0r and I spent 24/7 stalking my crazy ex,

you mean the one that you posted about in the lovelife thread not terribly long ago because it was her birthday, right?

[Vipershark]

posting a .gif is literally kicking someone in the face

someone kicked you in the face a few times before and then they show up again
they're wearing boots
thats what they wore last time they kicked you in the face

you slice their throat and then piss on the carcass

that's a more accurate example, really

No, more like

If you murder someone, you get 25 to life.
If you continue to murder people, you get life in prison or even the death penalty and you don't let someone like that go free because they have a history of murders and are likely to murder again.
Those other murders don't suddenly go away. You don't just get punished for that one last murder.

I shouldn't have to repeatedly justify doing my job and getting rid of people that are causing legitimate unrest within the community, especially when they send in their defense force to do nothing but make childish posts in response.
I don't give a shit if he "just posted a gif". The issue is much bigger than that.

They were banned. Deal with it.
It's not like a single one of them were good members or anyone who actually liked the site or cared about coming here.

[PrettyNier]

a single instance of posting a .gif is not equivalent to the primary offense - that's the problem. you're making an assumption of future behavior and condensing an entire history of offense into a single largely harmless action.

using your own (awful) analogy, its like charging a murderer with the full extent of past offenses because of a minor offense like littering.

They were banned. Deal with it.

i actually don't really care all that much! this isn't an important thing to me, it aint about them its about you
i'm not even sure who gordon is! i keep forgetting (sorry gordon)

i just care that i, in my subjective opinion, feel that you're doing a bad job, is all

doing my job

shouldn't have to be justified, right?
doing your job doesn't need to be justified.

right.

[Vipershark]

a single instance of posting a .gif is not equivalent to the primary offense - that's the problem. you're making an assumption of future behavior and condensing an entire history of offense into a single largely harmless action.

using your own (awful) analogy, its like charging a murderer with the full extent of past offenses because of a minor offense like littering.

They aren't suddenly absolved of murder when there is proof of the crime.

We can keep talking in circles like this for hours but absolutely no progress will be made until Dazz gets online.

Feel free to wait until he gets here and bring it up with him.

[PrettyNier]

It wont get anywhere because you're wrong and you're acting irrationally based on bias and wont admit it

But no, I'm not really interested in waiting around for Dazz to come in. If that situation comes to me, fine, if not, i'm not concerned. Have I ever told you about how once 30 minutes after asking me why I hated him he offered to make me sprite mod

I always thought that was a funny story.


~flies outta this thread while whispering sensually into vipersharks ear "if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you."
(that means i'm not interested in perpetuating the argument with you, buddy)

[Vipershark]

Explain multiple times that I'm not acting on bias with multiple reasons behind it (and the fact that there are still users who fit the description of said "bias" unbanned and/or posting (you, tyvon, etc))

Get called out for acting on bias.


And I'm the irrational one.

[PrettyNier]

how did i know thats what you were going to post

How Did I Know

[Vipershark]

Well, it's true, for one.

[Dazz]

While I frankly find this a little stupid, I'd like to put a point in that while this is a forum and not a country, thus we are telling people they can't access a forum they consistently argue on instead of sending them to prison/extraditing them.
In all honesty, if you dislike the decisions we make time and time again, feel free to discuss them, and accept our views as being the final result. I'm not saying you can't plead your case, but 6 pages of back and forth arguing flowing over the same shit over and over again to me just seems like "You're a garbage man" - "No, you're a garbage man"

If you want to discuss something like this, talk to me in private. If you don't like the final decision I make, or any of the mods for that matter, while I hate to use the term - tough shit. This isn't your £1100 server. It's mine. And while you argue, you continue to freeload off of it because I'm not a complete asshole who will kick you off of it because you disagree with my decision about your friend.
(for the record for anybody who doesn't know, Tyvon's site is hosted on our server.)

Arthur was fair to bring the point up, to understand how we came to a decision. Tyvon, you're acting like a child who believes he's talking to a court when all we are is nerdy twats on the internet who run a forum, and don't like being insulted, provoked, and consistently made to deal with other people's problems. We're all fucking tired of this bullshit.
I assumed you would post to defend Sam, because you're buddies, and that's fine. But we do have a rule on posting on behalf of banned members, and while you're welcome to defend their right to be on our small sprite rip website internet forum, it's just pointless. You're talking to closed ears here.

When all your posts are in response to something going wrong to a friend, there's bias there, and you all know it. I don't give a shit about it anymore, if you want to disagree with the fact that we want this place to be a nice, productive, and friendly place, then you can get out now. Because I don't want to run Pixeltendo.