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[Kosheh]

Then in Star Fox Command you get even more connections to the lore of the series.

I've heard Starfox Command isn't even acknowledged as a game that's canon to the series, though. Like, yeah it tries to shake things up with the multiple endings, but no one knows which one's the actual, correct canonical path




all those babies might not be canon ohno

sidethought tho: i LOVE how they made Slippy a girlfriend and then in like 2 of the endings he has like 8 children with Amanda, as if like the developers are shouting at us "SEE GUYS? LOOK. SLIPPY ISN'T GAY!!!"

[Kriven]

I thought Slippy was a girl in Star Fox 64.

When Star Fox Adventures dropped, I was so confused...

[Kosheh]

I thought Slippy was a girl in Star Fox 64.

It's all right, Kriven


Everyone did. A lot of people I knew thought Tails was a girl, too.


)':

[Kosheh]

All right - it's rant time. You know what bothers the everloving shit out of me? And I realized it recently because I'm old as balls? Today's gamers fucking disgust me. Especially the Nintendo fanboys. Yeah, that's right I said it. Y'all fuckin' disgust me.


No, not you guys. Sit down it's all right I'm not talking about anyone in general here - heck not even on VGR. It's moreso everyone else on social media. I just realized this today, and I feel like I've become...liberated.

Everywhere I look, I see stupid ass people on Nintendo's social media, crying, whining that they didn't get the games they wanted this E3. "Why would you LIE about Fire Emblem being 1 game?" "THIS ISN'T THE METROID WE WANTED!!!"

"You lost E3, Nintendo"
"AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO AMIIBO"

What the actual hell? It's times like this where I sit back and I actually think to myself "What is wrong with these people?" Personally, I thought Nintendo's E3 presentation was a home run. I mean, it wasn't Sony, but it surely wasn't Ubisoft either.
It took me like the whole week to figure it out but the answer is plain and simple:
American gamers are so self-entitled and greedy it's ridiculous. Nintendo didn't screw anything up during E3 - in fact, the whole time, I felt like Nintendo's digital presentation was centered on fun - which is what they've always stood for. They're like a digital Disney - they appeal to everyone and all tastes - and some ridiculous ideas you might've seen are ultimately covert marketing "schemes" (i.e. Animal Crossing amiibo Festival is nothing we would play as core gamers - but that's not the audience. AC is a fairly niche franchise, and amiibo Festival is a thinly-veiled casual entry for family entertainment that'll hopefully get your mom, who's privvy to board games but not so much time-consuming ones, to possibly take the leap and try out Happy Home Designer or New Leaf)

Everywhere I go, I see shit like this:

Two new Mario Kart 8 DLC packs will be announced with a focus on battle mode. Battle mode is really all this otherwise perfect game has ever been missing. What better way to get us all playing again?
Wii U will get a new MSRP of $199.99 including 2 games. Yes, I know it’s drastic, but that’s what it’s going to take to get that install base up.
Nintendo will announce a redesigned Wii U GamePad featuring a better touch screen, higher resolution display, better battery life, and a slimmed down and more ergonomic body. I realize this completely clashes with my previous prediction, but let me have my fun.
Pokémon Z will be announced, will be exclusive to New 3DS, and will launch alongside Pokémon amiibo cards.
Retro Studios will announce its new project, a Kid Icarus action RPG for Wii U. As much as I would love to see Retro tackle Metroid again, seeing them do something completely different would be equally exciting.

This isn't a list of predictions, this is a freakin wish list. These are ridiculously high hopes, and unrealistic expectations from a conservative little Japanese company like Nintendo who chooses to err on the side of caution, given the sheer amount of flops as of recent.

I'm mostly cheesed with shit like this and then posts following it crying about how these things weren't what fans wanted or wished for, STARTING PETITIONS ON CHANGE.ORG TO CANCEL GAMES, and that "Nintendo is digging their own grave". No. You're stupid as hell and development teams aren't your chimps who just shit out games and get paid in bananas to do so, and your actions say "I don't want companies like Nintendo to develop new games, I just want them to churn out remakes and make zero dollars." Because when you say that, Starfox Zero happens, where people complain "this looks just like the N64 game. I don't want this"

I just


arrrrrgh can we tactically nuke these shitty, entitled gamers? Dumpass gamers who hate innovation and minorities in game development?

just boom
blow 'em up

tl;dr: Nintendo is a traditionally conservative, Japanese (read: ass-backwards) company who chooses to err on the side of caution. It's why they're rolling in dough, and will do so for decades on end. Their backwards reasoning doesn't always work out (N3DSXL, amiibo) but they'll catch on eventually. They keyword with Nintendo, as is every other gaming company ever, is "patience". They'll get it right...just give them another few months to sort things out and be there to comfort you. It'll be okay. your money will depart from your wallet soon anyway.

[Kriven]

I think the main problem with Nintendo's E3 was opening with StarFox Zero and following it with games we already know pretty much everything about or aren't really huge releases. That, in addition to spilling two big things before E3 ever started (SSB DLC and Earthbound Beginnings) probably gave them a weaker presentation than they otherwise would have had. I think if it were organized like this:

Nintendo Digital Event Schedule:

Super Mario Maker
Yoshi's Wooly World
Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam
Mario Tennis Ultra Slam
Hyrule Warriors Legends
The Legend of Zelda: Tri Force Heroes
Animal Crossing Happy Home Designer
Animal Crossing Festival
EarthBound Beginnings
Fire Emblem x Shin Megami Tensei
Fire Emblem Fates
Xenoblade Chronicles X
Metroid: Federation Force
Metroid: Blastball
StarFox Zero
Ryu and Roy Reveals

I think that would have been more recieved. You have more of the high points in the lineup and you have more distribution with rising actions and climax. Nintendo's event this year was CLIMAX CLIMAX CLIMAX and now a bunch of our midlist stuff. They didn't build up to the pay-off. It's all about the delivery.

Althogh maybe more Muppet skits....

[TomGuycott]

Maybe their Idea was to get all the big guns out at once before anything else leaked (see Hyrule Warriors and Roy/Ryu reveals).

Also, pushing the Roy and Ryu reveals to the end of the program would make no sense. Nintendo was ready to release them, and kicking off the opening of E3 with additional content for one of their most popular game series is a better move. Otherwise I'd just have been like "you mean I could have been playing these new characters all week?"

Another thing is that sometimes the timing is off to coincide with awesome releases. As I recall, Nintendo was considered a big player in E3 last year, but now that games like Smash are released and games like Zelda for Wii U don't have quite enough to show, people are all offended, for some reason. Personally, I'm excited about Star Fox, Mario Maker and Paper Jam, and I'm even mildly interested in the Zelda and Metroid games despite the hate they are getting.

[Kriven]

Also, pushing the Roy and Ryu reveals to the end of the program would make no sense.

I'm thinking of it as like, a fake-out. People are drooling in anticipation ever since the characters were first rumored. The Nintendo Direct is reaching its end, Miyamoto gave his talk about how StarFox came into being, they're running the "Thank You for Watching", fading to black... and then... that now familiar Thump-thump.

[Goemar]

FVII-Remake, Shenmue III, Horizon: Zero Dawn (freaking robot dinosaurs), Shenmue III, awesome car chase in Uncharted 4, Shenmue III, the Last Guardian.

So basically FF7, two shooters, and two really boring looking games to be hyped up over. Right.
Apparently there was a ratchet and clank at the beginning but I didn't see that one so I'll give you that.

oh and don't forget the RETRO PIXXXXXLZ games from devolver those sure looked great (no they didn't)

No Man's Sky still has yet to show any actual gameplay of note (what the heck do you actually DO in that game???) and everything else was basically AssCreed, other shooters, and that one awful looking dreams game.

Great conference.

Damn, sod all the driving, climbing and exploring, story and character shizz in Uncharted, you have a gun - so it's a shooter. That must mean Super Metroid is a 2D shooter because she has a gun - and not a platformer where you explore and shizz, nope just a shooter where you shoot people.

Seriously I hate saying "You've obviously never played ______" on the internet because it's just a dick line. But seriously, Uncharted 2 was freakin' awesome - and not because you shot people. It was the best Indiana Jones game - and Indiana Jones is awesome. I mean MGS you shoot people but I would never say it was a shooter, I wouldn't even say Metroid Prime was. Yes, you shoot people but it isn't the main thing. If you're not into them, fine, whatever - but don't be a fanboy and paint everything you don't like with the "stupid gun game" brush just because you're not interested in it. "Shooter" is a rather massive genre. I mean both Metal Slug and CoD fit into it.

For anyone with a Dreamcast Shenmue III is a big deal. It's gaming legend. Hell it's like when Duke Nukem became a thing again. Sure, it sucked - but dragging it out of Vapourware land was still pretty awesome at the time. It's on the same scale as when Mr Saturn strolled across and said "We're also working on Mother 3" - for fans of the series it was time to shit your pants in excitement.

The Last Guardian is also something to get excited about. Anyone who's played Shadow of Colossus knows it has huge potential.

Last year I regretted staying up to watch Sony's press conference. It was dull as balls. But this year you really need to be trippin' something serious to not see that they blew the competition away.

Yes, Microsoft had a few cool things (Rare Replay [yay Battletoads Arcade]) and ReCore (which looked pretty cool, and thus slightly annoying it's an exclusive) but the Gears and Halo series I've seem to have lost interest in. That doesn't make them bad games, but they're games which won't grab my attention. But guess what, they didn't sit and plan their conference for me - it's for every gamer out there. And a lot of Xbox One owners are excited for those games.

Then Nintendo completely dropped the ball with a multiplayer Zelda with no voice chat and a game using Metroid in the title. Castlevania caused an outrage pulling such a stunt and so has Metroid (and rightly so - minus the dickish petition). I'm fine with Metroid having spin-offs, but the last Metroid game was a long time ago now, of course people will get angry.

Normally Nintendo has one of the best E3s, normally being my favourite every year (except the year Rayman Origins was first revealed, and the Wii Music one [did that even come out in the end?]) this year, just a whole lot of meh (and Platinum making Star Fox).




A good conference is one that shows the company knows what their market wants, to the point of making something so awesome people didn't even know they wanted it yet (aka Yarn games, Mario in space, hunting robot dinosaurs etc). Sony made a lot of wishes come true and had a clear vision. Microsoft showed that they were back about the games. Nintendo had a petition set up to cancel a game. I can't think of any E3 where this has happened.

Sure those people are self-entitled pricks. But no matter how you look at it, Nintendo stumbled pretty bad and as much as you can argue your Nintendo-loving fingers of, it was a rather disappointing show from the big N.

Not to mention the strongest words arguing against you will be written by the Nintendo-loving fingers of a let down fan.

[Kosheh]

Normally Nintendo has one of the best E3s, normally being my favourite every year (except the year Rayman Origins was first revealed, and the Wii Music one [did that even come out in the end?]) this year, just a whole lot of meh (and Platinum making Star Fox).

A good conference is one that shows the company knows what their market wants, to the point of making something so awesome people didn't even know they wanted it yet (aka Yarn games, Mario in space, hunting robot dinosaurs etc).

But that's the thing: there were a lot of new titles announced and some real out-of-left-field things (amiibo Skylanders? Co-op Zelda)

Nintendo had a petition set up to cancel a game. I can't think of any E3 where this has happened.

It's probably because social media hadn't reached that level of stupidity yet. You can't cancel a game that's basically done. That's the most ass-backwards logic ever, and it's hard to believe people would actually call for its cancellation. (I don't really get the reason for its cancellation; is it because it's a multiplayer co-op Metroid that people don't like the idea? Do they not have friends to play with?

I wonder where the petitions were to cancel Wii Music?

(also, yes, Wii Music came out. As would be said in the UK, its gameplay was complete bollocks. It was Rockband for rhythm-challenged White People)

[Helmo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGnPm-ijwB0

watch the greatest stream live

[Kitsu]

The negative reaction to Metroid Prime Federation Force stems from several different reasons that cover a pretty wide base:
1. The gameplay, which, at first glance, greatly resembles that of a standard generic FPS (though really after watching it more, it's pretty clearly not), as opposed to the focus on exploration, collection, and using weapons and mobility tools as keys to unlock new areas.
2. Lack of Samus Aran / Metroids; a lot of fans were really hoping to see their favorite bounty hunter commit additional genocides to the same species she already made extinct (note that, apparently, some news has revealed that metroids may indeed appear at some point in the game, and Samus may not be entirely ruled out as well).
3. The huge difference in atmosphere. For many fans, the Metroid series excels at having a subtle horror setting, steeped in isolation and foreboding situations, and generally being one of Nintendo's more serious franchises. This instead has multiple characters interacting (in ways other than brutally murdering one another) in a colorful chibi artstyle.
4. The time gap between the previous last Metroid game and now of 5 years (8 years for those who completely disavow Metroid Other M) exacerbates the whole issue, with some fans worried that Nintendo may choose to continue following this route with the Metroid series, their favorite series "betraying" them and therefore living in exile without another game to fill that gap. I'm pretty sure we had a similar conversation on this topic beforehand, and regardless of the legitimacy of this concern, it is something people are really afraid of nonetheless (and I still feel Wario Land / Wario Ware is, at the moment, a potential example of this occurring).

These are the reasons I've seen most on this topic. I myself struggled with the 3rd and 4th ones a little before eventually deciding it wasn't worth the anguish (though I suppose they are still concerns, just that I don't really care about them as much any more lol).

Petitions to cancel games though is just
too far

[Jermungandr]

Just out of curiosity, if the game featured Samus teaming up with three random federation grunts, rather than all four being feds, do you think people would still be upset? Or do you think they would just be upset in different ways.

[Kriven]

I'm actually fine with the Metroid series moving away from Samus or having games without her. A universe becomes stagnant when you only look at one aspect of it.

For some reason it's the fact that the game is "Metroid Prime" instead of "Metroid" that bothers me, but that's not a big deal anyway.

[Kitsu]

It's probably called Metroid "Prime" because it's an FPS

@jerm, maybe it's because I don't care about that point myself, but I feel like that's the smallest issue of the bunch. I've read some comments saying they'd rather play as the Metroid Prime Hunters NPCs, so adding just Samus is probably not going to convince people enough. Really, I think 3 and 4 are probably the biggest things people are annoyed about, with 3 somewhat mirroring the Wind Waker debacle of "ew it's a kids game"

personally, I've always wanted a game about the fed troopers

[Omegajak]

Just out of curiosity, if the game featured Samus teaming up with three random federation grunts, rather than all four being feds, do you think people would still be upset? Or do you think they would just be upset in different ways.

The petition wouldn't have happened, but people still wouldn't be happy.

I'm actually fine with the Metroid series moving away from Samus or having games without her. A universe becomes stagnant when you only look at one aspect of it.

For some reason it's the fact that the game is "Metroid Prime" instead of "Metroid" that bothers me, but that's not a big deal anyway.

Right? Like how about all of the OTHER Hunters? I'm interested in Weavel. Metroid Prime game that has Samus pursuing you like the SA-X?

I'm glad there's a distinction between Metroid Prime games and Metroid games. Still waiting on Metroid 5.