Super Star Ultra Project - Phase 2

[Seiryu's Tear]

Your sheet is jpeg'd. You may want to fix that.

[AgentLym]

Well, it's not JPEG'd (at least, it wasn't for me ), but it's definitely resized. Just upload it to ImageShack.us, and give a link or a direct image. That's what I always do.

[Geo the Fox]

Update:

Okay, I am going to be real rude right now cause I'm tired, grumpy, somewhat annoyed, and cause Tornado is one of my favorite abilities.

Are you fucking kidding me?

All you did was take one god damn tornado animation and paste it upon Kirby's head in an ugly fashion.

I'll repeat what I said last time. His hat is fucking huge now. I'll tell you how to fix that while telling you how to make this sheet look like not-crap.

First off, Kirby's tornado hat does NOT take the vague shape of a cone. So you can't simply make one animation of a tornado and paste it on every fucking pose, and call that work. Go look at KNiD, KatAM, and KSqSq--even HAL wasn't that lazy. And they're pretty fucking lazy.

Kirby's tornado hat takes on a cylindrical shape that has a certain upward angle to it. I should NOT be able to peer inside of the tornado in any of Kirby's poses that does not have his head facing toward the screen.

Continuing on the shape of the Tornado, it's a cylinder. Like putting part of a tube ontop of Kirby''s head. THe bottom of it fits around the top of his head, staying within the boundary of the circlet, and the rest of it should suggest slight straightness. What you have there is the normal cone-shape of a tornado. Why is that? It's because you just fucking pasted the same tornado over and over. Oh, and the size? It shouldn't be bigger than Kirby's body. The round part of his body without his shoes.

Just as the angle of Kirbys head and ... circlet hat tilts as his body moves, so does the tornado. In fact, there are very few poses where the tornado frames get reused for any of Kirby's poses. That means, you should be remaking the tornado to match the angles Kirby's head tilts it. This also does NOT justify skewing that one tornado animation you have for the sliding pose. Also try again on that transformation pose. It looks HORRIBLE. Please, use a REFERENCE for this sheet.

Since I'm basically obligated to point out one good part of the sheet, I will go ahead and say that even though you tried, and failed, to milk it for all its worth, that tornado is indeed impressive. I'm almost curious as to how you made it, since it's so good. Thing is, the only thing it's actually useable for is the tornado attack. Stop trying to reuse it, it won't work.

That is all. Rage.

EDIT: OK, i lied. The circlets you made are good too. Keep it up. ^o^b

[Previous]

tornado is indeed impressive. I'm almost curious as to how you made it, since it's so good

Whispy Woods'.

[Geo the Fox]

Thanks. That's one less redeeming quality on that sheet.

[Omegakyogre]

<RAAAAAAAAGE>

Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who's seeing the real lack of quality in a lot of these sheets.

EDIT: OK, i lied. The circlets you made are good too. Keep it up. ^o^b

Nope, the circlets were taken (the gem was recolored and the red outline from the flame was replaced with black) from DrShnap's Fire Kirby sheet, guaranteed. Compare the two, you'll see that they match to-the-pixel:

Replace the black on the top with red, and you get a carbon-copy of the original, with the exception of the color-swapped gem.

[Geo the Fox]

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Oh.

So his sheet really is utter shit. Thanks.


Moving on to Gooey...

... there's so much wrong with it, that I can't even begin to criticize it. However, i am feeling slightly motivated to sprite my own Gooey... Yeah... I have ideas for it....

[AgentLym]

Ok, well... I have some work done (like, 15 minutes worth), so I thought I'd show you guys.


Well, for those of you who don't see any changes, (and I almost don't, so don't worry), I changed the sizes of the orbs to be odd-pixeled, so they fit on the sword without jerking around. Also, I made it 'bubble' up, I think? I dunno. I haven't had much time to work on this, but it's coming along relatively smoothly. I'm gonna come up with a few more attacks maybe, and a couple more poses perhaps.

@ Zof E.H. Toeg
How can you be so mean? I know you said you were 'grumpy', but...

I agree, the sheet might have been lazily done, but I know that if I tried to make Tornado Kirby, I'd have taken the same tornado and pasted it as well! I probably would've made a few adjustments to the tornado for his running poses, but I know I would not want to draw a new tornado for every frame.

But, also, it's not that big of a deal! He can just re-paste for a new hat (making the new hat look like the KNiD hat... it looks just a little different from the fire hat), make a few new tornado sprites, and that would fix most of the problem! It wouldn't take that long to fix, since you can have just one animation for the running/walking (not different tornadoes for each frame, just one unique one for each).

@ Fernando110900
I thought it looked alright. But, you may wanna take some of Xof's advice, though. Just fix the tornado to be smaller, straighter, and... well, that's about the only problem?

Just keep with it! It'll get better the more you work on it! But I don't blame you if you don't wanna look at it anymore... I know I'd be very discouraged if what they just said to you, they said to me. T_T

[Omegakyogre]

Just keep with it! It'll get better the more you work on it! But I don't blame you if you don't wanna look at it anymore... I know I'd be very discouraged if what they just said to you, they said to me. T_T

Geo and I have said over and over again that sheets for this project need to be quality sheets, and I said a few pages back (maybe even just one page ago) that these sheets are going to require more work than just copying and pasting. Think of how it feels to be asking over and over again for people to stop and spend some time making good sheets rather than just blast through them as fast as they can, winding up with shoddy work.
The problem with Tornado Kirby's sheet is that there isn't even an ounce of custom material in there: The circlet is Fire Kirby's and the Tornado is Whispy's. On the other hand, Lym, your work is entirely custom, and therefore even if it was bad, it wouldn't warrant the kind of anger that is being thrown at Fernando; the fact that you're putting effort into making something that is your own saves it.

[platinumhorns103]

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Oh.

So his sheet really is utter shit. Thanks.


Moving on to Gooey...

... there's so much wrong with it, that I can't even begin to criticize it. However, i am feeling slightly motivated to sprite my own Gooey... Yeah... I have ideas for it....

Sorry but I'm doing him right now.

[Omegakyogre]

Sorry but I'm doing [Gooey] right now.

Yes, but you're doing it poorly, and you have, as far as we know, made no attempt to improve. Show us a sprite of Gooey that has a smooth outline, anti-aliasing, and smooth shading, and he's all yours. Until then, you're in danger of losing him to someone else who do him justice.

[Phantom Killah]

Geo has just as much right to sprite Gooey as you do

[Kairos]

Sorry but I'm doing him right now.

Yeah

But his will be better.

And will most likely be accepted into the project.

And he listens crit rather than ignore it.

See what I'm getting at here?

If not, I'll put it in simple terms.

You are a shitty spriter whereas Geo is not.

[Torkirby]

@Xof E.H. Toeg- First of all this is only a prototype. I used parts of other sheets to try to see what I am going to do. I'm sorry to say that the tornado is Whispy's and the circlets are fire kirbys. I will fix the tornado and the moving sprites after I have it all in order. I will get another tornado later but the tornado and circlets are both placeholders. The tornado and circlets will be changed in the real sheet instead of the ones from my blueprints.

Then why didn't you mention that in the first place?

I'm actually afraid of what your actual Tornado Kirby will look like, seeing your avatar and your sig.

[AgentLym]

omegakyogre: Geo and I have said over and over again that sheets for this project need to be quality sheets, and I said a few pages back (maybe even just one page ago) that these sheets are going to require more work than just copying and pasting. Think of how it feels to be asking over and over again for people to stop and spend some time making good sheets rather than just blast through them as fast as they can, winding up with shoddy work.

I agree with you, it's just that GtF didn't have to curse so much to get his point across. (I don't mind cursing that much, it's just that his post sounded much more harsh than it needed to sound is all )

Fernando: And one more thing, your Sword Matter looks great

Thanks!

Rags: You are a shitty spriter whereas Geo is not.

Well, that is just mean as well! I wish that ph103 would listen to our crits too (and he has, at least, for the black lines ), but no need to go personal. Just say that Geo is better, without directly criticizing... or say that the sprites suck, not the spriter himself.


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